BanPiracy Responds

Offical statement released to the forums but...      21/11/07
BanPiracy Responds

Just in from Banpiracy – the agency responsible for enforcing software usage rights and acting on behalf of Waves. The statement is released a year since it was founded by ex Waves director Tomer Elbaz and Micheal David. As you may or may not have noticed, the methods employed by BanPiracy in their program of enforcement (covert agents visiting recording studios) have caused quite a stir on the online community. The statement, released through Banpiracy's media agency Sitrick and Company, who handle a number of other high profile clients including MGM, Halliburton, Kelsey Grammer and Marvin Davis – who’s apparently a billionaire finacier, is an answer to some of the points raised on various forums. Update Peter Kirn from - who's site and users are specifically quoted in the release, has also responded to the 'spin' in the statement. The follow-up is a very well put challenge to the BanPiracy point of view as written below. The statement is as follows:
It’s been a year since BanPiracy, a company devoted to stopping piracy in the audio software industry, was formed. This is our report card to you, our cohorts in an industry that we love, but one that is also in serious trouble. Has it been lonely walking the walk as one of the only groups willing to enforce copyright protection for our clients? Absolutely. Do we wish we had more support from audio software developers who are getting their software “cracked� and are afraid to stand up for their rights as businessmen? Most definitely. Are we going to stay the course in our battle with pirates who abuse international copyright protections? Bet on it! This past year has been one of lessons learned. We learned to accept the harsh reality that the way our company was structured -- as a for-profit LLC which gets its operating income from the collection of fees from those who are unjustly enriching themselves by using unauthorized software – might be a tough sell to manufacturers accustomed to looking the other way when their copyrights were violated. We learned that those who’ve come to depend on “cracked� software see their illegal activity as an unalienable right to exploit the efforts of talented professionals who labored to author that software. And we’ve learned that there are brave people that will not be cowed by the noise of the rabble who want to take what’s not legally theirs. It is a tribute to our industry that it supports such ethical publications as Pro Sound News and its European counterpart, Pro Sound News Europe. Both publications in mid-November published extensively-researched stories about our enforcement efforts. The writers of these stories were not afraid to take their shots at what they perceived as our shortcomings, but they bent over backwards to get both sides of the story, and we at BanPiracy acknowledge their professionalism. In a Pro Sound News story written by Christopher Walsh, Andrew Kirk of PACE Anti-Piracy Inc., the developer of the ILok and InterLok tools, noted the uneven history of audio software manufacturers fighting the pirates, and noted: “BanPiracy has a noble goal,� and added that the audio software markets “do need some enforcement – think about a society in where there was no enforcement of law.� Another of our counterparts in the anti-piracy campaign is Ray Williams, director of the International Music Software Trade Association. We salute Mr. Williams for his efforts, which were heralded in the Pro Sound News story. “Our whole reason for being,� Mr. Williams told PSN, “is to try to have musicians respect the work of the companies who supply their software tools the same way they respect the makers of their hardware tools.� We at BanPiracy also welcome the voluminous opinions on Internet message boards about out campaign. One of the most interesting challenges to what we’re doing was posted on Peter Kirn’s Create Digital Music website. In referring to the only client we’ve been able to sign for BanPiracy, Waves Audio, Mr. Kirn wrote, “Waves, I put the challenge to you: either demonstrate you have other developers onboard with you, or stop trying to convince people this is an effort on behalf of the industry.� Mr. Kirn’s theory is that until Waves Audio, the initial client of BanPiracy, is joined by other software developers, any effort by Waves Audio to promote its involvement in BanPiracy is NOT a legitimate effort on behalf of the audio software industry. A note to Mr. Kirn: The clients of BanPiracy are not asking your permission, or anyone else’s, to stand up to audio software copyright infringers. BanPiracy hopes that others will join Waves Audio in this fight, but the fight will go on as long as there is one man or woman willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Adrian Anders, who posted the following in a user forum on Mr. Kirn’s website on November 14, 2007. “I think the studio owners were being very irresponsible to their paying customers,� Mr. Anders wrote in response to the many proponents of “cracked� software who frequent Mr. Kirn’s website. Mr. Anders then added: “Cracked software often causes severe problems in DAW environments and may even contain trojans, viruses, and/or worms that could compromise the data of their clients. Beyond the moral obligation to buy the software they use, [the studio owners] violated the trust of their customers by having potentially damaging software on their machines.� Count on this, Mr. Anders: You’re not alone in this fight. By Tomer Elbaz, BanPiracy COO and Michael T. David, BanPiracy CEO, Nov. 20,2007



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someone    Said...

what is this, a wild west shootout? a grade school dare?

regardless of the rightness of wrongness of this, this "press release" is written like a juvenile bully, not a ceo.

21-Nov-07 04:32 PM

Samus    Said...

I'm a longtime customer with Waves.. love their plugins... I'm a supporter of legit software but still BanPiracy's efforts makes me grinch. How will this work for the Waves in the end?

22-Nov-07 01:53 AM

Aran    Said...

Looks like retired Mossad agents found a new civilian carreer.

The quest made by Waves is leaving me quite cold. They are the company that sell the most expansive software (considering the bundles). So even though everybody would be buying their out dated product (yes admit it, half of the pluggins in the bundles pre-dates 2001) do you think they will be reducing their prices ? Hell no ! They'll keep the same price and cash more on they already overprice products.

22-Nov-07 09:51 AM

Marc JX8P    Said...

So? Regardless of the price of the product, regardless of how wise or unwise their course of action in this may be and regardless of how explainable some of the used cracks may be, in the end it's very simple: if people don't buy the software they use then they're using it illegally. That's simply a legal fact. You might argue about the approach BanPiracy is taking, you might argue that Waves should lower their prices - but that doesn't change a thing.

22-Nov-07 10:17 AM

Ian Copeland    Said...

If I stole a tune from an artist who used and who felt justified using cracked software and sold the stolen tune to Revlon for a hair care product advertisement the wronged musician would wail and moan the injustice: that I had unfairly profited from their artistic labor. I would be sued and burned in effigy in Internet forums across the web. Would anyone rally to my defense? Hell, no. I would be just some dishonest hack being paid for another musician’s hard work and talent. How is it any different, then, if I steal from a company and their programmers? It takes money, time, and a considerable amount of talent to write DSP code. Software (and music) should not be free unless the developer (or musician) wants to make it available gratis. No amount of opposing argument will turn theft into anything other than what it is. If you use it, pay for it.

Bravo, BanPiracy!

22-Nov-07 05:53 PM

concerned engineer    Said...

Thank the lord that someone, anyone, is standing up for software developers whose intellectual property is getting ripped off. I don't agree with what BanPiracy is doing when it comes to some of their enforcement, but at least they're doing something. Where is the courage of the rest of the industry? Where does it say that a software developer has to just take it up the arse if the crackers want the product?

23-Nov-07 12:04 AM

boycott waves    Said...

Sounds like the RIAA.

24-Nov-07 01:44 AM

30 years in the industry    Said...

This "war on piracy" is stupid. (Like war on anything else.) I can tell you that a lot of studio owners use pirate copies of software. Yeah, we bought the legal copy whose copy protection sucks, so one takes its manual out from the box, puts the box on the shelf for public display ("here, I bought it!") and the pirate copy is actually used with the legal copy's manual for production work. Because the pirate copy just works better, folks.

Whoever these dumbass anti-piracy crusaders are, they have no clue how the studio industry actually works. So I guess, maybe Aran IS right, and they are retired Mossad agents looking for a job. :-)

05-Dec-07 01:00 PM

Pissedoffuser    Said...

I think Waves should do themselves a favor and reduce their Rediculous prices. The Mercury Bundle (Currently 4500 at Musicians Friend) should sell for 450. Basically they should go thru their product line and take the last digit off. So a bundle that sells for 670. should be 67 bucks. Thats all they are worth. And they wonder why Piracy is so prevalant? They are a bunch of money grubbing whore$. I dont make any money recording demos in my basement. So why should I have to pay 4500. for a bundle that is at most worth 450.00? Why?

22-Oct-08 02:20 PM

lush93    Said...

Waves makes great plug-ins. Why else would people pay the high prices? Why would people want pirated copies? Their stuff is great and every professional worth a dime uses them. Your inability to afford them hardly qualifies you as the arbiter of what Waves should charge.

03-Mar-09 11:06 AM

Born here...    Said...

Why all this packaging that looks "big" on the shelf in the shop? You tell me better now!

07-Jan-10 08:55 AM

your-conscience    Said...

lush93, you blatantly work for Waves! Admittedly they should paid for their work, but 4500 is BS and they're not even the best. BanPiracy was set up by Waves because Waves are greedy, you can see by their proices they are greedy.

You developers are fools, you create the pirate scene because you charge too much, you just cannot see this. You are a victim of yourself.

Most people want to support developers but most people only make average wages so they will support the devs who are not consumer whores like Waves.

There are many subsitute plugins just as good as Waves. People are finding it hard to make money from music these days and yet you have the cheek to ask 4500 for mainly old stuff.. This is your problem, the sooner you realise this and drop your prices the sooner you'll reduce the problem. Busting the odd studio here and there wont gain you much revenue. Many sales at a lower price will unltimately equal more profit long term. You need to sack your accountant and start thinking from most people's view.

Why don't you stop the main culprits, these forums that share files, these are part of the chain too but you don't stop them, why? Got no balls most likely because half of them are Russian and we all know you're shit scared of messing with Russia.

You are fools to yourselves Waves. Wake up!

06-May-10 07:38 PM

BanPiracy fan and non just..    Said...

u know the melody?? 'its in the AiiiiiiiR' ... :))) that sais it all :D ...prices to fuzking high ...10.000 Euros on the full bundle? ...are u nuts? ...i think stupids are those guys that buy your stuff hahahahhhh ...and remember ...anything that is so unaccesible to someone ...that someone will always try go get to that thing ... piracy will always exist ...why? all the comments and you will figure it out should grow up Waves!

07-May-10 09:17 PM    Said...


no more ferrari...

29-May-10 11:32 AM

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