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Sonic LAB: Roland Juno Di On Test
  27-Jul-09
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tobeng    Said...

Great review, I wish they would make a "real" Juno though...

27-Jul-09 06:52 AM


Nick B    Said...

Its funny, but the 'real' juno was kind of the same thing, a budget synth for its time.

I'm not sure Roland would sell enough synths to fund the R&D of another pure analog synth, it might be nice to see a Juno-fied version of the VSynth though

27-Jul-09 07:02 AM


mystic radio    Said...

actually would be nice if Roland got out of the rehashed JVish sounds they have been recirculating for years. to me they sound like excited JV sounds with some slick effects... TIME FOR A NEW ENGINE RETHINK MY JAPANESE FRIENDS.. cant they put in filters like novation or access ? those synths were virtual... GET WITH IT ROLAND

27-Jul-09 09:44 AM


Nick B    Said...

Mystic, that's a really good point, I originally bought a JV1080 for the same functions that I would recommend the Di for now, except its less than 50% of the price and has a keyboard and a number of other features that make it pretty good value.

i think, though I may be wrong, that the V-Synth does have a totally different engine and would appeal to the synthesist. This stuff is more of a massive sound bank of useable sounds - which do have their basis in the JV (and earlier) voice structure

27-Jul-09 10:20 AM


mystic radio    Said...

nice review Nick... always like your style in reviews

27-Jul-09 04:07 PM


donger needing food    Said...

Fantastic review . . . Holy Christ, I just farted, and boy does it stink!!! Anyway, great review, Nick. Thanks! And thanks for demo-ing the (unimpressive) vocoder.

It seems like all of the big companies are thinking small nowadays . . . nothing "outside the box", just re-hashes of previous successes.

I don't blame them (I'd probably play it safe, too, if it was my money), but I haven't been really excited about a sub-$1,000 product from "the big three" since . . . since the MS-2000, and that's a LOOONG time ago.

You also touched on something that's bugged me for a long time, Nick. Why on Earth hasn't Roland re-released the 808 and 909? They're clearly not afraid to go back to the past to lift a name for a new product, why not just re-release? The knobs, the outs, the step sequencer row of buttons . . . why haven't they done it yet? And I'm not talking about the MC-909. I'm talking about a sub-$1,000 (ideally, sub-$500) old skool drum machine.

Didn't they see the massive success Korg had with the Electribes?

It boggles the mind.

28-Jul-09 06:04 AM


squeakD    Said...

Great review! It should be noted that the Vocoder on the Di can do MUCH more than shown in this vid. There are presets, but you can use any patch as a source for the vocoder (preset or user). The US price isn't $799 either. We're getting these things for $699 over here.

28-Jul-09 08:58 AM


Nick B    Said...

Squeak, I couldnt really get much articulation from the vocoder myself, so I didnt spend that much time on it.

Regarding the price, I was quoting $799 as the RRP. I'm sure you can get it cheaper of course.

28-Jul-09 09:41 AM


squeakD    Said...

Totally understandable Nick. Plus you're limted in your time on this vid too :) I've got one on pre-order and I'm probably one of the first in the United States to order one (ordered mine several weeks ago through Sweetwater). Roland packed a lot into this little performance synth too, and when you look at the bad it's quicky outweighed by the good points :) Plus it's a JUNO :) The Juno is and has always been a budget "affordable" line of synths since its introduction years ago. Again.., great video review on this synth! I posted a link to this review at the Roland Clan Forum for the Di as well.

28-Jul-09 09:48 AM


Benedict Johnson    Said...

Oh, I would have loved this 12 years ago, when I was suffering along with my Korg X5.. Now that I'm Mr. Nord, I want to look down my nose at it - but it just looks so useful!

Roland are persevering with their atrocious, aliasing D-Beams, the "super-layer" feature looks like something I would have got excited about back in the day, then there are all those vocal thru/midi/mp3 player functions - all seems like such a well-observed feature-set!

I have ill-informed and unrealistic opinions about sample-RAM, plus it's the wrong kind of product to be having these opinions about, but I wish they'd focus "more on less".

I'd recommend this to newbies or veterans willing to compromise concentrated quality for portability and broadness.

Surely the portable synth market is absolutely gaping now? Especially now that gigging is the only business-model left for turning music into money..

28-Jul-09 12:00 PM


Nick B    Said...

Benedict, wise observations and I agree, if this kind of tech had been available at this price back in the day, I would have been in heaven.

You point about the gig is where the money is is spot on too.

28-Jul-09 01:26 PM


s r dhain    Said...

Good review nick, and rather than repeat what everyoen else has said - same old jv sound set and engine, not a true juno etc- Id like to say that as i still have a JD990 AND a jv1080 - the 990 holds my vintage board- then this is of no use to me. But then i still have my motif xs6, moog voyager, radias, etc, etc..

On another point, YOU CAN make money via scoring, but youve really gotta be adept at doign variations on a theme and be QUICK at it too. In effect, you learn with time and experience to be a bit pre-emptive. For scoring, the JUNO DI would be a good bang for the buck, especially if its your ONLY keyboard for a while till you make some meatier £££.

Guys there are newer business models coming , such as POLYPHONIC's model where they wont own your publishing et al, but will have a share in sales etc. Its a different time cause the whole industry is going through the mill, but keep your chins up..there's light at the end of the tunnel (fingers crossed)

big L

Shekhar

28-Jul-09 05:39 PM


squeakD    Said...

Mine will be here tomorrow!!!! SWEEEEET!!!!!!

04-Aug-09 06:43 PM


Mafew    Said...

Not really that great. Guess the portability factor is cool but 800 is a lot for that. There's nothing new or interesting here.

06-Aug-09 04:04 PM


squeakD    Said...

It's selling for less than $700 in the USA. We're getting them here for $699 with extended warranties and free shipping.

10-Aug-09 06:32 AM


selercs    Said...

roland really needs to do better at analog modeling...create at least a 4 part, 24 voice analog modeling engine...

that being said juno-d is a great keyboard...you can definitely create your own signature sounds using its quite deep synthesis engine, and the vocoder is actually really good...better than what he reviewed.

the sounds are very warm and rich in this video and i have no doubt that this will be a great keyboard unless you want some more programmability: pwm/sync/fm/oscillator drifting/feedback,etc...well even the fantom g doesn't have any of those capabilities.

the key action didn't bother me one bit...also lack of aftertouch is a good thing manytimes because when recording into computer sequencer, you don't have to worry about unnecessary aftertouch events...the sustain/release section of the envelope can provide appropriate sound effects or voice oscillators.

a great synth indeed!

10-Aug-09 08:54 PM


selercs    Said...

mystic radio,

roland already has a nice analog modeling synth with tb style filters...its called the V-synth.

besides, i think novation/access are really really overrated. virus' filter aliasing is pathetic and novation has a sound character like a vst plugin. heck, i sold my supernova and bought the v-station...same sound.

if you want pure analog tone with deep, rich, warm sounds, get the mopho or the prophet 08 ... they don't have effects, but you can use external processor for that.

10-Aug-09 08:59 PM


Eric S    Said...

yeah i feel that the name 'juno' is a abused by these modern uses. though as a keyboard it is a nice cute unit. though i would prefer the REAL sound of a REAL juno.

10-Aug-09 11:09 PM


selercs    Said...

Eric,

As Nick the reviewer mentioned, 'Juno' does not mean 'analog', it means 'affordable'...Juno 106 was a cut down jupiter, and juno di is a cut down fantom-g.

Roland thinks analog will cost too much to research and design and they said they will be sticking to digital (including analog modeling)...

i am just hoping that they can release a more powerful analog modeling keyboard than the sh-201...soomething like a jupiter clone but with authentic analog modeling...i am sure they are afraid analog aficionados will compare them and blast roland for the 'thin' sound of analog modeling...lol...such is life.

i like Nick's review a lot except what he said about this keyboard only good for bread and butter sounds...that is far from true: if you use the computer editor, you can get into full fantom level editing of the patches complete with 3 MFX, etc.

12-Aug-09 01:00 AM


selercs    Said...

well sure, the v-synth gt 2.0 version has analog modeling, but i was talking about a standalone VA synth with more multi-timbral parts and polyphony like the virus.

for real analog, we still have good ole dave smith!

12-Aug-09 01:02 AM


squeakD    Said...

I own the Juno-Di and I think people need to play one of these before making up their minds. If you haven't played one.., then you'll not understand what Roland has done with the Di's patches. Patch Mode is down to a single osc or tone.., but WOW what Roland did with that single osc/tone is unreal. To see what Roland has done all you have to do is hook up to your computer and use the editor. We're talking patches that in reality are multiple osc's with some of them having separate zones per osc, and loads of velocity switching. The Di's editor is literally a "virtual key" that unlocks the full potential of the Di's patch editing, and puts it at a PRO level. Again.., ya just gotta try one out and check out the editor to see what all Roland has going on with these patches. The previous Juno-D/Le can't even come close to the current Di in terms of patch quality.

12-Aug-09 09:09 PM


JAY-kid    Said...

hi....can any1 tell me how many splits this juno d-i can make?...

19-Dec-09 04:38 AM


JAY-kid    Said...

can anyone tell me plss...

19-Dec-09 04:48 AM


Nick B    Said...

Hey Jay, 10 minutes too long to wait huh?

I cant quite remember now, but I think you can set up the split in two points really quick quick with the split button, and I would have thoughts, but I cant recall, that each of the multi-timbral parts could be set to a different zone on the keyboard but with the same MIDI channel - I would ask Roland to be sure

19-Dec-09 02:16 PM


Candi    Said...

I liked the review, found it very helpful. I bought this last year as it was within my budget and I needed something quick for performances. So far, i've been very pleased with the sound I've gotten out of it! Didn't know I could edit the drum patterns or use the mic without the vocoder setting...or the chord memory. Guess I've got a bit more to explore yet, thanks!

13-Jan-10 10:04 AM


Daniel    Said...

I'm very interested in this unit for budget reasons. But allthough I liked it for its price, and tried it out in a music store, I'd like to know better how does it handle program change messages. I have a couple of racks and use to change sounds more than twice a verse or chorus hah. Thank you

08-Jul-10 08:57 PM


Ozzy    Said...

Hai Nick...I am very new here working with roland(juno di).I used Yamaha PSR before. I love ur reviews.I learn smthing from there. But, I really wanna ask you...why when I push the dual/split button, the sound i played before(exe piano) off suddenly although i press the pedal. How to i fix it Nick?? Help me on this...

14-Aug-10 11:00 AM


rolando    Said...

only 390 midi or mp3 from usb flash memory no matter if the usb is 4 or 8 or 16 g.the same 390 songs.

08-Feb-12 01:43 AM


Dipesh Varsani    Said...

Hi,

Does any know how to install/ make new sounds on Juno Di.

I Really need to make them.

Thanks guys :)

16-May-13 03:31 AM


Dipesh Varsani    Said...

Hi,

Does any know how to install/ make new sounds on Juno Di.

I Really need to make them.

Thanks guys :)

16-May-13 03:32 AM


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