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Monitors:  WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO???


30-Aug-01 (teardrop06)
30-Aug-01 (griffin)
30-Aug-01 (schism)
30-Aug-01 (The Real MC)
30-Aug-01 (rockmanrock)
30-Aug-01 (CoolColJ)
30-Aug-01 (CoolColJ)
30-Aug-01 (rockmanrock)
30-Aug-01 (CoolColJ)
30-Aug-01 (Spectralab)
30-Aug-01 (derek)
31-Aug-01 (Spectralab)


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teardrop06.... WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO? (30-Aug-01  01:24PM )

- ANY IDEAS??

teardrop06

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griffin.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  01:58PM )

- because they give a flat response what you here is what you get.

griffin

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schism.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  02:06PM )

- because not only are they shitty, like most computer speakers, but they are equally shitty across the entire frequency range. therefore they are very accurate...btw if u hear bass on them your mix has too much :) haha i'm about to buy a pair for shits n grins...and they are nearfields too so u can keep them 3-4 feet away and you won't tire of them because they don't reproduce deep stomach thrusting sines that make u feel sick...anyway just make sure u have a pair of midfields to go with em. cya

schism

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The Real MC.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  02:07PM )

- I read that NS10s are popular because if you can make a mix sound good on those, your mix will sound good on anything.

That isn't entirely true because studio acoustics play a BIG part in your mix. The true test of auditioning monitors is to try them out in your own studio, not in the store.

Things are not all pearly though, since they do seem to induce ear fatigue faster than other monitors.

Please stop shouting and turn off your caps lock key.

The Real MC

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rockmanrock.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  02:52PM )

- If you want to read up on the pros and cons of NS10s, check out the rec.audio.pro newsgroup archive on Google.

I've got a pair and they are my only speakers. They don't sound 'nice', but that's the idea. Unlike hi-fi speakers and certain pro monitors, they don't flatter the bass end and make everything sound good. The idea being: If EVERYTHING sounds good through them, how do you know when the mix is actually shit?

The NS10s are far from flat. They have a pronounced mid-range, which makes them excellent for identifying problems in that area. People also seem to like them for checking vocal tracks. Sample clicks etc. show up well on them too.

To my ears, the other monitors I tried when I was buying a pair sounded like they had the mids all sucked out, unless you cranked them. I tend to work fairly quietly so they were no good. My family is probably thankful for the non-existent bass on these NS10s.

I wouldn't mind another pair of monitors ('nice' ones) at some point, but can't really fit them in at the moment.

Link: http://groups.google.com

rockmanrock


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CoolColJ.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  07:38PM )

- Because those studios are old school, and have old farts working there!!!

time to get modern

CoolColJ

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CoolColJ.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  07:40PM )

- I find it stupid that people use speakers that don't sound good or accurate to make them mix well.....

Mixing engineers sure need to learn a whole lot. Hi Fi audiophiles sure know a lot more about how quality audio sounds than mixing engineers sometimes...

CoolColJ

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rockmanrock.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  07:45PM )

- Yeah.. like directional cables and stuff LOL!

rockmanrock


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CoolColJ.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  09:46PM )

- Not talking about the gear, more about their sense of how audio sounds :)

CoolColJ

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Spectralab.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  11:38PM )

- I was gonna say... they're in major studios so the engineers will be deaf within 5-10 years. That way, they never have to keep engineers around for too long and their salaries don't go up : )

Spectralab

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derek.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (30-Aug-01  11:57PM )

- what about this: the ns-10s have a "certain something" - that alone should be nuff said, but its never wrong to know them anyway since they are the de facto standard. much like its good to know protools :)

its a question of philosophy - do you want to feel comfortable at work (=good sounding speakers) at the risk of missing some problem spots, or dont you care and want a speaker that doesnt sound good just by itself, hopefully but not necessarily (of course) resulting in a better mix in the end.

i know its a clichee, but there really is some truth to it, as with all clichees ;). take a crappy mix - it will still sound OK on events, mackies, krks, genelecs (uuh yeah on genelecs, everything sounds great :) - but it will definetly sound like total crap on a pair of ns 10s.

having said that, i wouldnt ever want to rely on just some nearfields for mixing, no matter which nearfield were talking about. having some larger (and hopefully very truthful) speakers is much better for mixing and judging the overall frequency range, especially the low end of course.

btw, i found that comment about audiophiles pretty funny - from my experience, audiophiles dont know shit about anything concerning sound quality or aesthetics, they tend to judge the quality of a recording by stuff like "ooooooh how accurate, i could hear the guy in row 4 sneezing on that bolero CD from sony classics".

thus, wanna impress an audiophile? then go to the vocal booth, sneeze into the mic and gently mix that into some softer part of your song so that you can barely but still hear it ;-) j/k

derek

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Spectralab.... Re:WHY ARE THE YAMAHA NS-10'S IN EVERY SINGLE STUDIO??? (31-Aug-01  12:24AM )

- -----they tend to judge the quality of a recording by stuff like "ooooooh how accurate, i could hear the guy in row 4 sneezing on that bolero CD from sony classics". -----

As both a recording engineer and an on-air engineer at a classical radio station, I can appreciate this one from several angles ;-)

Spectralab

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