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Anything Analog:  The ms-20 by Korg


15-Oct-01 (STicKX)
15-Oct-01 (dj4tunes)
15-Oct-01 (kybernetik)
15-Oct-01 (Steveo)
15-Oct-01 (impossiblesound)
15-Oct-01 (RobG)
16-Oct-01 (STicKX)
16-Oct-01 (Steveo)
16-Oct-01 (daviD)
16-Oct-01 (STicKX)
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23-Oct-01 (STicKX)
24-Oct-01 (Yonny)
24-Oct-01 (daviD)



STicKX.... The ms-20 by Korg (15-Oct-01  11:14AM )

- This thing ROCKS! I just played for like hours with it and I am amazed by its powers... The VSO's are Very stable, the filters are wild and the fact that you can proces any sound signal is just amazing! I plugged my walkman in and (with some patching) let the signal trigger the osc's, WILD! The patching realy lets you create the most awesome sound! Ow and the (pink/white) noise also rules!

Yep, the ms-20 realy is an amazing synth!

STicKX

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dj4tunes.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (15-Oct-01  12:15PM )

- my ms10 is not bad too,but i lost 2 chances to buy the ms20,damn.tried the frostwave resonator but it just can't really come close to ms20 filters.

dj4tunes

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kybernetik.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (15-Oct-01  12:34PM )

- My next module for my modular will be an ms20 filter clone, I hope it's as good as the original :)

kybernetik

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Steveo.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (15-Oct-01  01:58PM )

- Apart from the MS20 filter , the rest of the synth isn't that great really. It has that woody nasal quality and no PWM !!

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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impossiblesound.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (15-Oct-01  06:11PM )

- "tried the frostwave resonator but it just can't really come close to ms20 filters"

It's a clone of the MS-20 filters, you must be doing something wrong...

impossiblesound

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RobG.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (15-Oct-01  09:35PM )

- Yeah dude, I just got one too (kinda it's on loan), it's awesome! I use it for my band (technical, post-no wave, Brainiac sort of stuff) and it's perfect, it really slices through the mix on those upper registries, although the lower ones get lost. The guy before me was using an ESQ 1 and everyone in the band agrees this is a much mightyer synth. Actually, I think I drummer doesn't like it cause it hurts his ears, but in the words of our guitarist "the audience will be hurting, but they'll be hurting good."
Rob

RobG

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  03:47AM )

- "Apart from the MS20 filter , the rest of the synth isn't that great really. It has that woody nasal quality and no PWM !!"

Apart from the no PWM the ms-20's OSC's are stable as hell! And the fact that you can plug en external sound into it rocks... so I think it's not only the filters hehe! :-)

STicKX

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Steveo.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  07:27AM )

- Drifty oscillators aren't really as much of a problem as people make out and don't affect all analog synths ( except all EMS gear which are practically unusable without mods!) , drifty oscillators help give analog is warmth and depth. External sounds can be routed through loads of synths , sure the MS20 offers a degree of patchability but it gets crapped all over by many far more capable semimodulars. The only thing that ever sparked any interest in me when I had mine was the filters howling into mad self oscillation at the merest tweak of the resonance knob. As far as a musically usable synth the MS10 actually sounded better to me. Of course if you want to use it mostly as a signal processor then fair enough it does offer some fun and games in that dept.

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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daviD.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  07:43AM )

- Well, I really like the Korg MS LFOs, the variable waveform can be really useful. Of course, I'd like them to go from, say, 0.05Hz to 200Hz, but heh ;)

The external signal processor is also a nice addition (and it can allow you to control the ms with a midi kbd too).

daviD

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  08:09AM )

- Drifty oscillators aren't really as much of a problem as people make out and don't affect all analog synths

-well, I heard that the driftyness (?) of some moogs can really be a problem. When you want to pich an OSC say one octave up and it realy goes one octave and a bit up.

And personally I think the ms-20 sound very warm :-)

STicKX

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Steveo.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  10:10AM )

- Early mini's were pretty bad but then again most enthusiasts will tell you they are the best sounding ! Scaling shouldn't be a major problem if its been calibrated properly.

If you follow the "give it 20mins to warm up" mantra then most analogs are perfectly fine....even brand new analogs require a degree of stabilisation time, it comes with the territory. I would agree that the Japanese monosynths (Yamaha,Korg and Roland) tend to be more stable than Moogs/EMS' gear , funnily enough ARP's seem quite stable too.

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  10:30AM )

- Steveo have a look at this one...

Buttom picture... These a friggin' awesome!!!

Link: http://www.wwa.com/~johnp/gallery.html

STicKX

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Steveo.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  12:07PM )

- Cool indeed , I like the "fist-of god" system ...blimey !!!

Still would rather have one of these babys tho...

All synths should have built in oscilloscopes ! 8)

Link: www.audities.org/images/Synthi100/ems_synthi_100.h ...

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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Steveo.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  12:08PM )

- oh bugger , sorry...

Link: http://www.audities.org/images/Synthi100/ems_synth ...

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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Yonny.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  02:18PM )

- Odd.. i kinda feel like the MS-20's filters are its weaker point, but that's just me. Arent they 12db?

Yonny

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daviD.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  03:53PM )

- Yup, 12dB but they sound better (ok, different) than a lot of 24dB ones imo. Size isn't always important ;)

daviD

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Elfarran.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (16-Oct-01  04:55PM )

- Are you sure about that last point, daviD?

Elfarran

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (17-Oct-01  03:50AM )

- Steveo, that's one good looking synth! Damn wouldn't mind having one of those in my room! hehe ...build in oscilloscopes? NICE!

STicKX

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (17-Oct-01  03:53AM )

- Man I realy want a synth that has "oscillator 12" on it! :-D

STicKX

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inocybe.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (17-Oct-01  08:55AM )

- Those MS filters really got some guts.. I like that.. the first time i played my MS10 I immediatlly knew where the chemical brothers and the early Aphex Txin (classics) got those damn ripping filter sweeps... Turned out they both have a few MS series synths.. I kinda just use it as a filter bank .. mighty cone ripping filter.. love it. If i only could lay my hands on an MS50 ... ... someone wants to get rid of one? real cheap? no?? damn...

inocybe

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (17-Oct-01  11:27AM )

- inocybe, ms20 and ms50 both for sale at sonic classifieds...

STicKX

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inocybe.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (17-Oct-01  12:26PM )

- yeah I saw it..

MS-20 : $900
MS-50 : $1500

Those things are nothing near cheap. and they're in the USA.. wich is kinda.. not really in the neighbourhood.. so there will be reasonable shipping costs as well. But what stops me most from getting one through this way is the fact that I can't test out and verify the condition of the machine before handing over that much money..

inocybe

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Yonny.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (17-Oct-01  02:03PM )

- The MS-20's 12db filters are great for higher-pitched notes in the higher octaves, but i just feel that when you open them up in the lower notes, they sound sort of brittle and weak. But maybe that's just me. But, i can use the Prophet-5 for the bass filtering, with it's powerful 24db filter. Of course, as is the case with any synth or instrument or whatever, the weaknesses can become their strengths if used properly and tastefully... :)

Yonny

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (18-Oct-01  05:31AM )

- Inocybe, see what ya mean. I'm having the same problem living in Holland.

STicKX

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ANTILIFE.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (18-Oct-01  09:13PM )

- ARP synths were more stable than Moogs of the same era because Alan Pearlman had a lot of experience as an op amp designer for NASA (Mercury & Gemini projects I beileve)--which is how he made his money in order to start ARP.

I think he started ARP with 100,000 dollars of his own money and at one time loaned ARP 250,000 dollars to try to keep it afloat.

The full details are in Mark Vail's incredible "Vintage Synthesizers" book--IMHO a must-have for almost everyone on this board.

ANTILIFE

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nick@sonic.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (21-Oct-01  08:18AM )

- I had an MS-50 and didn't get much use out of it really - I ended up trading it for a JP6 which I use more.

I find the MS-20 has a sound that is more organic and unusual than any other synths - those filters are so crusty.

It will scream for you.

One of my favourite tricks is to set osc 2 to ring mod and tune it up a fifth or a third. Add res filters to taste and see what happens.

nick@sonic


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Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (22-Oct-01  12:38PM )

- I must get my MS toys back from loan

RE : the Serge big pic : how could anyone comfortably play the TKB unit ( unless you've got 2 metre long arms ! )

Ohh I know, you have to stand beside the verticle cabinet and lean across - Hmmm, comfortable and natural for thoes arthrhitic moments of creativity !!

Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™

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OSCILATER.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (22-Oct-01  04:02PM )

- Well, STicKX and inocybe...I may wanna sell the MS-20 I own...just maybe. I agree that it's a very pecculiar and great synth, but I'm really not using it very much in this last two years, and I never took profit from it's full capabilities. (I have since 1991)...I'm also in Europe (Portugal)and we may talk later about this possibility.

Link: http://www.e-sonus.net

OSCILATER

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impossiblesound.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (22-Oct-01  10:30PM )

- The filters on the MS-10 and 50 are pretty screamy, too. Unlike the '20, they're only LPF's, though. They sound a little different from each other, or at least mine do. The '50 seems a little more rude and spiky when the Q is cranked.

I don't have a MS-20, but I got a Frostwave Resonantor. The sound is spot on. It's actually a little more flexible than the original since you have CV control over the Q, too.

impossiblesound

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STicKX.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (23-Oct-01  03:29AM )

- OSCILATER,

Let me know if you want to sell it :-)

guido.romijn@sns.nl

STicKX

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Yonny.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (24-Oct-01  04:33PM )

- Does anyone here have any spare keys for the MS-20? I need a 'g' and an 'f' key for mine. If not, does anyone know where i can find some? Thanks, Yonny

Yonny

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daviD.... Re:The ms-20 by Korg (24-Oct-01  08:15PM )

- Yonny : try analogue heaven (search the archives first) : http://www.midiwall.com/archives/ah

Link: http://www.midiwall.com/archives/ah

daviD

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