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Soft Synths [Mac]:  Audio editors for Mac


24-Jan-02 (breakstyles)
24-Jan-02 (blipbleepblip)
24-Jan-02 (inocybe)
24-Jan-02 (breakstyles)
24-Jan-02 (Alexus)
24-Jan-02 (ivan)
24-Jan-02 (peabreu)
24-Jan-02 (inocybe)
24-Jan-02 (breakstyles)
25-Jan-02 (blipbleepblip)
25-Jan-02 (tiamat)
29-Jan-02 (breakstyles)
29-Jan-02 (tiamat)
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breakstyles.... Audio editors for Mac? (24-Jan-02  03:37AM )

- Looking for some suggestions for an audio editor for my new mac system (G4, 733mhx, 256MB of ram). Bias peak seems to be highly recomended, and D-sound pro looks interesting as well (and its shareware).

The Spark LE that came with Cubasis is not very appealing at all. I find it kind of akward to use, and it can only record from the macs audio in, not my soundcard (very lame limitation to install into a product). Any thoughts or ideas?

breakstyles

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blipbleepblip.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  03:47AM )

- Anything LE sucks!

Spark XL is better, but not useful for quick editing.

Peak is great, but you know, I can get around quickest on a musty old version of SoundEdit16! I like that program a lot, particularly for quick and dirty EQ action (quick, pull all the bass out of this file!) ...except for the fact that it doesn't compute an overview file when you load it, so everytime you zoom in or out it has to re-compute the waveform display. (ugh)

Of course if I'm working on a 24 bit file I have to use Peak. I'm not as fond of the region stuff in Peak, but its GUI looks a hell of a lot better.

blipbleepblip

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inocybe.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  04:18AM )

- blipbleepblip.. one way or the other I find myself using a lot of soundedit16 as well. dunno why, because it's ugly, has very little features .. but it seems to get the most basic editing things done very quick.. I like the soundedit automator a lot too.. batching is fun ( at least when ya need it :)

For the rest..

Peak: very nice progie.. lot's of features. Nice interface.

Spark: Kinda comparable to peak, but the FX matrix wich comes with the XL version is a very powerfull feature.

D-SoundPro: Shareware that can compete with the 2 above, do I need to say more?

inocybe

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breakstyles.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  04:29AM )

- inocybe, have you used D-sound pro much? The reason i ask is because sometimes i am hesitant about shareware because it sometimes has crash/freeze problems (at least in my experience). I was almost about to download it when i decided to check back here and see if anyone responded to my post yet. Glad to see other people are awake at 4am as well! (east coast, USA time). Thanks for the opinions.

breakstyles

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Alexus.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  09:07AM )

- I just got a mac, and have the same concerns: whats the best audio editor?

I've been using soundforge for years, and i guess it takes a platform change to realize how good and intuitive an application is!

I got Spark XL, and the way you control the region with the cursor is backwards, i am not diggin this.

I have yet to checkout PEak,but i know i'd rather have somehting simple, that works right...so where can i find that soundedit16 ??

Alexus

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ivan.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  09:12AM )

- There's also the free version of the Sonicworx editor (www.prosoniq.com). I don't know how many features it lacks compared to the full version, but it might have some interesting stuff in it. The interface is a bit weird though.

I use it for weirder stuff, and Peak for more traditional sample editing.

ivan

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peabreu.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  09:43AM )

- Once used with the interface of Prosoniq's SonikWorX one easily finds all the other applications quite complicated...I think they were very intelegent with that interface. Also, the Artist version has the most amazing algorithms one can imagine for audio. Actually they have a very important role on the forthcoming Neuron Synth...to me I think that it will be a realtime work horse with soniqwork algos... Digital but great. Peake, to me, always had the edge in fast work...its really a fast application. Never got into the Spark way of things...seems powerfull (the parallel processing) but feels clumsy...probably its just me...I still keep on fighting/hating Logic after 1,5 years...why did Opcode finished ???

peabreu

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inocybe.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  11:46AM )

- Alexus.. Soundedit16 is from Macromedia. I don't recomend it ... I don't even know why I'm still using it.. there seem to be real benefit in it.. but it's extremly simple and it's my favorite 'quick' audio editor. Macromedia Doesn't support it anymore, and they don't sell it anymore either. (they went with Bias (Peak) to release with their new products.)... but you should be able to find it somewhere ;)

Breakstyles.. I played around with D-soundPro for a while. No real serious use though .. but it offers quite a bit of functionallity for the price (sample dumping via SCSI, MIDI, Filters, envelopes etc...) Take it for a download and try it out.. it's shareware so...

inocybe

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breakstyles.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (24-Jan-02  01:57PM )

- Inocybe, thanks for the recomendation, i think i will give D-soundPro a try. Why not, I suppose.

Alexus, I too am used to sound forge, and have similar issues with spark. Maybe I just need to get used to it, but i am not really "diggin" it either. Hopefully in a few days i will have downloaded and got some time to use D-sound pro. I'll post some comments here when i've tried it out.

breakstyles

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blipbleepblip.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (25-Jan-02  03:12AM )

- Sound Forge, in my mind, is probably the best stereo file editor of all time. I do all of my audio on a Mac, but I have a PC too and sometimes I end up editing something on it... and Sound Forge is much easier and equally if not more powerful than Peak.

Too bad Sonic Foundry never developed a single thing for the Mac. If they had, perhaps they might not be going under now! Audio is probably the only market where you can't dismiss the installed Mac user base. Besides graphic design/print layout, where Macs are standard as well...

blipbleepblip

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tiamat.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (25-Jan-02  12:27PM )

- The sonicworx artist program is excellent. The basic version which was still freeware last I checked and is what the name implies, is a more basic version of the full app. nonetheless, it still has alot of usefull and interesting features. Then you have the complete version, which you can get the demo of, and is probably the best audio editing application I've tried. I've also been using d-sound pro for a while now, it's never crashed or given me any problems. that's also a good basic editing app.

tiamat

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breakstyles.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (29-Jan-02  01:18AM )

- I downloaded and have used D-soundPro a little bit. For some reason it will only let me record into it at 8 bits, the 16 bit option is greyed out. Everything in my soundcard panel is ok, because i can record into cubase properly.... Anyway this does not seem like a bad editing program at all. All i want to do is record samples (drum loops, voice snippets, horn blasts, etc) and use the samples in my sequencer. I like the basic editng functions and it seems to offer quite a bit more (basic effects, looping tools) I like the timestretch and auto bpm stuff too. I am going to use it for about 10 days until i decide wether or not to register it for 39 US dollars. I will probably use it until i can afford the approximately 300 dollars a full editing program seems to cost (wavelab, peak etc)

breakstyles

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tiamat.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (29-Jan-02  07:34PM )

- when I first began using d-sound pro, I either hit the shift key or space bar during startup of the application. this enabled all the functions which were disabled.

tiamat

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swordfish.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (29-Jan-02  07:46PM )

- Sonic Worx has far better sound quality than everything else free. The only non free app that's comparable is Spark.

I'm sure it's to do with bit depth. Peak seems to do everything at very low res- for example, VST plugs often overload in Peak when they never do in Cubase.

Normalising in Peak does not sound as good Sonic Worx. Neither does sample rate conversion- Peaks is among the worst. Peak is quite buggy in general.

I mainly use Peak to dump a bunch of samples to my ESI4000 in one go. For batch normalisng and SRC, I use Barbabatch- stunning quality and very fast.

I use Antares Infinity for looping- a little known app that's amazingly useful.

The best free stuff is: SonicWorx Basic and Sound Effects 0.92. D-Sound is useful for SMDI dumps, but Peak is worth the extra money if you don't want to go grey doing this!

Sound Hack 0.88 can do some super stuff, but it's a bugger to figure out. Once you do tho, it's a very powerful tool.

I still run an ancient copy of Alchemy- nice sounding eq. and when Peak fucks up a SMDI dump, Alchemy will do it.

Sound Forge is good, but it can't dump more than one sample at a time over SMDI!! A major pain.

swordfish

http://www.madtheory.com

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breakstyles.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (30-Jan-02  04:16PM )

- after a few more days using d-sound pro I have decided not to continue. It seems to have problems getting along with my soundcard (audiophile24/96, which works fine normally). It seems to take control of my card, changing all the panel settings, not letting me switch them back. When i try to use cubase it says "another application is using the card." I tried a lot of things, deleted and re-installed drivers, etc. D-sound pro appears to be the culprit. It is a nice program, maybe when the version 4 is available i'll try again.

Sonic worx sounds interesting, maybe i'll look into that. Peak seems like the best product so far, but I cant spend 300 plus dollars on software right now.

Where can i find info on Sonic Worx?

breakstyles

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aeon.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (30-Jan-02  04:26PM )

- >>I use Antares Infinity for looping- a little known app that's amazingly useful.

So agreed...that app kicks if you are a samplist who works with more than just "beats."

aeon

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swordfish.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (30-Jan-02  05:44PM )

- breakstyles- the problem you're having is that VST currently doesn't allow more than on app to use the card. It's not D-Sound's fault! There's probably an option in its ASIO setup page to "release ASIO in background" or something similar. You'll have the same problem with Bias Peak unless you set it as I described.

http://www.prosoniq.com

for SonicWorx.

aeon- when you mess with the looping you can get some great pad sounds from Infinity. I wish it wasn't so bloody expensive, altho I have used it enough to justify it (or so I tell myself anyway!).

swordfish

http://www.madtheory.com

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breakstyles.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (30-Jan-02  08:07PM )

- Swordfish, thanks for the info, I'll see if i can figure that out. Even when i was using d-sound by itself ( not opened from within my sequencer) it would cause this problem. In other words, once i used d-sound, i could not use any other audio program afterwards without deleting and re-installing drivers. A big pain in the rear. I wasn't having this problem when using Spark LE. Thanks for all the feedback and input people, it has been helpful.

I'll check out that antares infinity, but that "so expensive" comment has me scared already!

breakstyles

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swordfish.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (31-Jan-02  03:06PM )

- Infinity is £350 or something like that.

Actually, I had a look at D-Sound 3.5.1, and it seems it doesn't have ASIO support? So I don't know what's causing your problem...

swordfish

http://www.madtheory.com

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breakstyles.... Re:Audio editors for Mac (31-Jan-02  10:57PM )

- I downloaded the free version of sonicworx, but i didn't get a chance to use it much. I had to go to work (where i am now) so in a day or two I'll have some words about that. Hopefully it will fit my (modest) needs! It looks quite interesting, with what appears to be a seperate "module" for effects.

breakstyles

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