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Monitors:  Monitor Review from ProRec.com


03-Feb-02 (Mark Pulver)
03-Feb-02 (Raped)
03-Feb-02 (kypski)
03-Feb-02 (Mark Pulver)
03-Feb-02 (Raped)
03-Feb-02 (CoolColJ)
03-Feb-02 (CoolColJ)
03-Feb-02 (CyC)
03-Feb-02 (Kelly64)
03-Feb-02 (Mark Pulver)
03-Feb-02 (Kelly64)
03-Feb-02 (rockmanrock)
03-Feb-02 (Raped)
03-Feb-02 (accession)
03-Feb-02 (Kelly64)
04-Feb-02 (STicKX)
04-Feb-02 (Pedzola)
04-Feb-02 (rockmanrock)
04-Feb-02 (accession)
04-Feb-02 (vokal)
04-Feb-02 (Kelly64)
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Mark Pulver.... Monitors on Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  02:25AM )

- Interesting words about 9 powered monitors:

Mark Pulver

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Raped.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  02:49AM )

- looks like the mackies take the gold...probably because of the price/performance...but none the less it got an A+

Raped

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kypski.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  02:57AM )

- ive been saying that all along .But Colin said Mackies suck. And some other dude did too :)

kypski

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Mark Pulver.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  03:55AM )

- Yeah... I love my 824's.

I think the thing that surprised me the most about this was that the Event 20/20bas didn't do better.

I've generally heard people talk about them in the same breath as the Mackies.

I had to chuckle at the score for the DS-90's. Roland has hyped those things so much.

Mark Pulver

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Raped.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  04:59AM )

- im sure the genelecs are awesome as well, but who besides professional studios need 4000 dollar monitors? i certainly dont.

i dont have the mackies yet, but hopefully someday.

as far as the events , i've heard them and i think they are pretty good. i think they should have gotten a solid B...but what do i know...

Raped

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CoolColJ.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  06:00AM )

- Mackies are OK for mixing and listening but not for mastering - they hype the sound a bit too much. They can make average sounds sound good. The fact people say they sound good proves my point :)

Monitors shouldn't sound good, they should sound accurate.

CoolColJ

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CoolColJ.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  06:04AM )

- Funny thing is, most mastering studios run highend, expensive and large HiFi speakers that go down all the way to 20-25 hertz :)

Yet you never see these in mixing studios

CoolColJ

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CyC.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  12:19PM )

- the behringer got a D+. The thing is, this is against ALL monitors including 4200$ monitors. Keeping that in mind, the behringers beat the KRK V8 (1800$), the roland DS-90 (1200$), and tied with the Tonnoy 800A ($1900). And this thing was written assuming the list of the behringers at $799... well they sell for 399$ so..... No monitors rated were close to the same price as the behringers and a better rating, and all the 'best' monitors were the ones included in the rating

This tells us that the behringers are the way to go for us musicians on a very tight budget! =) weeee!

CyC

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Kelly64.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  01:20PM )

- Mark Pulver: My thoughts extactly on the 20/20bas

Personally, I read that article a while ago and came to the conclusion that it's not entirely accurate.

A bunch of different people reviewed each monitor independantly, which means that there's no set standard between each review. A better way of doing it would have been to have a panel of reviewers for each monitor and then average the score out for each section of the review.

Anyway, that article was what made the deciding factor for my choice of going with the 824s a while ago :)

- Kelly

Kelly64

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Mark Pulver.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  01:38PM )

- Kelly;

    "A bunch of different people reviewed each monitor independantly..."

Are you sure? I'm not reading his intro that way... It's very much full of "I" and not "we".

Is it possible that you're looking at the links at the top of the page under "related articles"? Some of the same speakers that were in the "shootout" are there, but the "Hear Hear" and the MSP10 links are different articles outside of this test.


None-the-less, it's just another opinion that may or may not help folks make a decision.

Mark Pulver

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Kelly64.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  02:27PM )

- eheheh... oops :)

But still, it's just ONE guy :)

- kelly

Kelly64

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rockmanrock.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  04:12PM )

- The Behringers are dirt cheap here now.. 300 pounds vs. about 1000 for the Mackies!

rockmanrock


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Raped.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  06:36PM )

- but the mackies are way better than the behringers...and monitoring is worth the extra money anyway.

Raped

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accession.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  07:08PM )

- "...they hype the sound a bit too much. They can make average sounds sound good."

How does this work? Can I apply this theory to my music as well?

PJB

accession

SoundPunk.com

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Kelly64.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (03-Feb-02  07:30PM )

- accession: Yes, it's called EQing. :)

- Kelly

Kelly64

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STicKX.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  07:59AM )

- You may want to use some "faders" to :-D

STicKX

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Pedzola.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  09:20AM )

- So what IS the general opinion on the Behringers? I just ordered a pair so I hope you don't all tell me they are crap. They appear to be better than the other powered monitors in the price range. (m-audio, alesis, etc). Thepeople at guitar center were trying to push those cute m-audio monitors on me, butthey had really poor bass response. The graph on the box stopped at 200 hz, and it looked like the bass was starting to roll off there! =o NO GOOD! Please tell me the Behringers aren't total crap. Seeing as they beat out some much more expensive speakers, they can't be all bad....

Pedzola

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rockmanrock.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  02:53PM )

- The M-Audio ones got slammed in this month's Sound On Sound. Products rarely get a bad review in that mag, they usually don't bother with crap cos they have so many other things to be reviewed. If word gets around, I don't think they're going to move at their current price and will end up being blown out.

rockmanrock


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accession.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  06:10PM )

- Quoted from Kelly64: Yes, it's called EQing. :)

Alright smarty pants! ;-)

What fixed EQ curve would make *everything* sound better? Get my drift?

If anything, my complaint with the HR824s is the passive radiator may not excite with precisely the same relationship as the actual music amplitude, resulting in non-linear bass output at different volumes. Thinking about it again, it might actually be a bonus in that the HR824s provide a strong bass output while its volume is set much lower than other monitors that must be cranked a fair bit to get their main woofer working.

But without a doubt, the HR824s extend deeper than just about any other box on the market for its size.

accession

SoundPunk.com

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vokal.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  06:31PM )

- I just recently bought a pair of the Event PS6's and hooked them up. For those that don't know the PS6's are Events "project studio line" but have the same engineers, and similar specs as the 20/20 bas. Anyhow, I think these are very nice for mixing. I was very pleased at the Bass responce ((45hz) the mids and the highs. When mixing a bass drum on a song Friday night I noticed it makes the bass drum sound how it actually is. I bought them because they add such minimal coloration to the sound. And at 550$ a pair,I couldn't resist. Look into the PS series by Event if you can't afford those 20/20's.

vokal

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Kelly64.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  06:35PM )

- There's a reason why people set their audio systems to the classic smile curve on their equilizers :)... or that consumer grade speakers and headphones usually try to give a slight boost to the highs and lows.

So there's your answer :)

- Kelly

Kelly64

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wilco19.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  08:04PM )

- \\Events "project studio line" but have the same engineers, and similar specs as the 20/20 bas. \

The specs aren't that similar to the 20/20, alhtough they are nice monitors.

\\And at 550$ a pair,I couldn't resist. Look into the PS series by Event if you can't afford those 20/20's. \

Ouch! 550$ a pair for the 550$? What happened to your bargaining skills? I paid 600$ for a new pair of 20/20 bass powereds from Sam Ash.

vokal

wilco19

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vokal.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  08:43PM )

- Wilco, I got my PS6s from Sam Ash also (phone order). I see the 20/20s are 800$ and the older unpowered ones a little less. How did you get powered 20/20s for 600$ for the pair? As far as the specs are concerned, the only difference in frequency response is that the 20/20s go 10hz lower.

vokal

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Mark Pulver.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  09:21PM )

- Hey guys;

I think you know this but... EQing is BAD BAD BAD.

Analog EQ has a natural side-effect of inverting the phase of the band that you're pushing (or pulling). When you EQ the mains, you don't necessarily hear it, since the phase inversion is contained within the band. But, if the filters on the EQ are "leaky" and don't have steep slopes, then they'll start having an effect on adjacent bands and coloring upper harmonics.

The best thing that you can do is to spend all that you can up front on a flat monitoring _system_ (cables, amp, speakers) and use EQ in the mains only as a last resort.

Mark Pulver

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wilco19.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (04-Feb-02  10:57PM )

- \\ Wilco, I got my PS6s from Sam Ash also (phone order). I see the 20/20s are 800$ and the older unpowered ones a little less. How did you get powered 20/20s for 600$ for the pair? As far as the specs are concerned, the only difference in frequency response is that the 20/20s go 10hz lower.\ They had a killer sale one month, and I saw the 20/20 bas advertised for 600$ new. So I went into the store with the ad and sure enough they coughed up a pair of sealed and boxed 20/20's.

wilco19

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soulboy.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (06-Feb-02  01:02AM )

- Check out my post in the Monitors section and have your $0.02.

soulboy

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subhuman.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (06-Feb-02  07:32PM )

- I agree 100% with Colin. The Mackies sound GOOD - but not accurate. They sweeten all sounds. I prefer the 20/20bas for mixing AND mastering. For just playing in your studio, the Mackies are nice because it makes almost sound everything good. I heard these side by side and decided the 20/20 were more accurate in the highs and bass. The Mackies had artificially 'sweet' base and highs, IMHO. I wouldn't mind 5 of the mackies for a home theater system, though! :)

subhuman

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STicKX.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (07-Feb-02  03:32AM )

- 5 mackies? Ow mamma! That's gonna cost you a LOT!

STicKX

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Steveo.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (07-Feb-02  05:58AM )

- Pedzola - dont worry despite the monitor snobbery, the Truths are an excellent buy...have a look at the SoundOnSound review below.

Link: http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/may01/articles/behrin ...

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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Pedzola.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (08-Feb-02  06:23PM )

- =o thanks!! I've been getting a buncha bullshit from Guitar Center since I ordered the monitors. I bought an MS2000R and the monitors the same day, they didn't have them in stock so they needed to be ordered. Today, a week later, I call to check the status and guess what, the order never went through. No more left in GC warehouses, and only open box ones in other stores. Also they tell me they can only order in bulk from behringer, so they need to schedule a bulk shipment of monitors, and then once that arrives at the warehouse they can send me my pair that are already paid for save $54. (part of a larger deal I won't go into.) So who would like to guess how long it will take me to get my monitors? I'll say 3 weeks. They're going to tell me when on Monday. If its more than 2 weeks I'm gonna get my $$ back and buy em online from some place that has em in stock. o_o I want them NOW!! >:o

Pedzola

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Kelly64.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (08-Feb-02  06:52PM )

- Just get 'em from Nova-Musik. They dont screw around.

Hehehe, I wear my Novamusik shirt whenever I can :)

- kelly

Kelly64

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pnedito.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (08-Feb-02  07:11PM )

- Honestly, in listening tests I really haven't liked either the 824s or the 20/20s. The 824s are so coloered in the low mid, and the 20/20s sound terribly 'boomy in the low end. I will keep my alesis M1 Actives thanx (though these sound a tad shrill in the high mid range area :).

I can't imagine buying a monitor based on a magazine review... More than any other piece of gear -short of a 2000 mic, and i'll never own one of those :) monitors are sooooo subjectively personal if mags are gonna review monitors they should just present a picture of the frequency response and verify that response in a realistic home studio situation (whatever that is).

pnedito

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pnedito.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (08-Feb-02  07:12PM )

- er... that should read $2000 mic

pnedito

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Steveo.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (09-Feb-02  07:18AM )

- "I can't imagine buying a monitor based on a magazine review"

I absolutely agree and I would say that goes for any music equipment....however it is also helpful and interesting to read a seasoned industry professionals point of view , which can perhaps give you some pointers to assist in the decision making process.

Steveo

Music is the art of thinking with sounds.

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pnedito.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (09-Feb-02  11:08AM )

- ---which can perhaps give you some pointers to assist in the decision making process.

no... your right...

I just remember reading all these reviews before i bought my monitors and being totally horrified by the 20/20s when i actually got a chance to hear them... I was expecting to be blown away and wasn't.... go figure :)

pnedito

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Peake.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (13-Feb-02  01:28PM )

- "it is also helpful and interesting to read a seasoned industry professionals point of view , which can perhaps give you some pointers to assist in the decision making process. Steveo"

link

Link: http://www.prosoundweb.com/recpit/viewtopic.php?t= ...

Peake

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Peake.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (14-Feb-02  05:19PM )

- Also

Link: http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb= ...

Peake

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Mahuska.... Re:Monitor Review from ProRec.com (15-Feb-02  11:06AM )

- My decison making process is gravely influenced my cash flow. After reading threads from above urls, I don't feel so comfortable spending the thousand(s) I thought I'd save for for monitors. Might have to think about this

Mahuska

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