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Akai:  My review of the MPC4000


27-May-02 (Daladidoo)
27-May-02 (DrummerBoy)
27-May-02 (pnedito)
28-May-02 (Daladidoo)
30-May-02 (Four30)
30-May-02 (Flame)
31-May-02 (Daladidoo)
03-Jun-02 (Four30)
03-Jun-02 (Flame)
04-Jun-02 (Daladidoo)
04-Jun-02 (HELIOTROPE)
04-Jun-02 (Daladidoo)
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Daladidoo.... My review of the MPC4000... (27-May-02  05:29AM )

- I got my MPC4000 2 days ago so here are my first impressions... First, my MPC came with a 40gig HD, 256 Mo and no extra outputs (not available yet). The OS was v1.03 so I upgraded it to v1.13 via USB without any problem. SO far, I've been very satisfied with it : after 2 days of sampling/sequencing, I didn't notice any flaw and everything looks quite stable. As for the sampling features, I was a bit disappointed when I noticed no true "easy edit" feature was provided as stated on akai web site (ei. : I'm still unsure about this but I could not sample individual drum hits from a CD and have the MPC stop recording when the sound gets below the defined threshold...A bit like on Yamaha samplers. Nevertheless, you can still set auto normalize,auto assign to program etc. Cool!) The sound is great with more warmth and low end than on the MPC2000 at 44KH. It gets even better at 96Khz! My biggest gripe regards the lack of floppy drive : since no aksys support is provided at the present time, there's no way I can transfer some samples from my computer to the MPC!!!!Unless you have a Zip drive attached to it, you wont be able to transfer anything as long as aksys for the MPC4000 is made available.This sucks!! Anyway, this will be my only complain as the whole machine seems damn stable with tons of incredible features. Summary : No bugs, great features =killer machine!

Daladidoo

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DrummerBoy.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (27-May-02  11:29AM )

- I'm stickin' with my MPC2000 still

DrummerBoy

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pnedito.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (27-May-02  11:49AM )

- thanx for the review Daladidoo keep us posted... the lack of zip kinda sux, but i am sure akai will get it sorted quickly as w/ the a5000/6000 series.

Link: http://ww.mp3.com/pned_ito

pnedito

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (28-May-02  04:08AM )

- I got confirmation that the intellisample features are still not totally implemented in OS v1.13 Some other features like playing directly from the HD are still missing. Hopefully, these features will be added soon. As for the bugs, I'm glad to say I still didn't encounter any problems at all.

Daladidoo

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Four30.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (30-May-02  04:16PM )

- Excellent, thanks for the review, it'd have to be the first decent one that I've read. The ones on Harmony Central have been generally quite un-informative so far. Hey, any answers that you can give to these would be of great help....

About transferring samples from your computer, there's probably more to it, but still, shouldn't that be possible through the USB port? Or do you still need aksys, or whatever that's called?

I was also wondering, from your perspective, what's the portability factor on the 4000 like? Could you see yourself throwing it in a backpack (or something) for an evenings worth of performing/recording at a gig/studio?? Or is it so big that the task becomes quite a big chore?

(note: I haven't seen one in the flesh yet so I have no idea about these things)

-lastly, also, if I may bother you with just one more question-

Since you've now got the capability, how dramatic is the sound - to your ears - between 16/44 and 24/96? You ever taken the same sample at both of these frequencies/bit depths and compared the difference? Really, I'd like to know what your (completely subjective) observations/opinions are on this matter.

Thanks, F30.

Four30

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Flame.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (30-May-02  08:53PM )

- I also have a question, How's the sequencer like? Is it more like a software sequencer now, or is it still more like the MPC2000? Is there also the possibility to draw control change or sysex curves?

Flame

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (31-May-02  04:04AM )

- As for portability, forget it : it weighs more than 10 kg (about 23 lbs I think) and I'd be afraid of breaking the screen by carrying it for a gig. It's definitely more studio-oriented but the sequencer still feels very intuitive. It works exactly the same way as the mpc 2000xl with new editing features (especially piano roll view and drum grid). Control changes can also be edited very easily thanks to a graphic interface that enables you to draw curves (great for filter sweeps!) As for USB, you do need aksys to transfer samples and since no upgrade is available at the present time, there is no way you can transfer anything via this port. THe only solution would be to attach a removable USB media like a zip drive/hard drive or whatever. As stated previously, I do think the sound has more low end and more dynamic at 24 bits. Nevertheless, recording at 96 Khz/24 bits did not add huge sound quality to my samples. To me this feature is not that important, especially if you're sampling old material like vinyls, tapes, radio broadcasts etc.

By the way, I finally got 512 Mo and the 8 analog outputs. Everything works great!

Ok, I'll keep you posted for more info later on this week.

Daladidoo

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Four30.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (03-Jun-02  05:50PM )

- Sweet, thanks for the f/b, very helpful....

I think that the portability issue, coupled with the price tag (since 96Khz dosen't according to popular opinion dosen't do *that* much for sound quality) might cancel it out as an option for me personally.

Four30

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Flame.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (03-Jun-02  09:57PM )

- An MPC2000 with the MPC4000 sequencer, and it couldn't improve anymore for me.. :)

Ohw, the posssibility to run VST-instruments.. ;-b

Flame

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  06:00AM )

- If you need a full blown sampler and a sequencer in one box, the MPC4000 is for you. If you just need a drum machine then the MPC4K might be a bit "overfeatured".... Personally, the enhanced sound quality has never been a key selling point : I chose the MPC4000 over the 2000XL for some of its critical features including :aksys support (Akai told me they will release a new version next week),real time controllers and the promise of a Z4 combined with one of the best hardware sequencers on the market. I don't think I'll even need cakewalk to record my stuff anymore: what I'll probably do now is resample my whole song and transfer it via aksys to wavestudio.

Daladidoo

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HELIOTROPE.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  06:51AM )

- For goddsakes Four30 just keep your MPC2kXL and buy a Z8 or Z4 and midi it up and get the extra sampling features with a great drum sampler and hardware sequencer for a hell of a lot less $$$$$$. Just a suggestion for you too consider which would still give the great Z series sample engine without parting with your MPC. Besides the MPC and a rack Z4/8 would be easy to transport don't you think :).

HELIOTROPE

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  11:34AM )

- Heliotrope may be right. If you already own an MPC2000XL, you'd be better off getting a separate Z4/Z8...My case is a bit different : Im' a cakewalker user and got tired of computer sequencing after I played with my friend's MPC 3000. Since I also wanted to buy a new sampler, I thought the MPC4k would be the perfect choice.

Daladidoo

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Four30.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  12:51PM )

- Actually, I've never owned an MPC 2000 :)

Until the 4000 I couldn't bring myself to even consider buying one because the sampling engine was too simple for my needs. I'm into tweaking samples into completely different sounds, although multi-sampling is not really an absolute must.

I have owned an ASR-X before which I mostly loved, except for the sequencer which was soooooo bad that it had to go. Taking a software sequencer away from the ASR-X is like taking the white cane from a blind man, it's just not going anywhere without stumbling and falling all over the place. Therefore I couldn't really take it to a live situation.

Four30

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  12:56PM )

- Actually it's not that big and heavy and the contruction looks good. You could compare it to an O1V as for its dimensions and weight. I'm just afraid it would get damaged being carried over in a regular hand bag. I definitely think akai has made this MPC more studio-oriented (look at their official MPC4K pics : you can see a computer in the back...)So unless akai releases a special carrying bag for that new MPC, I don't feel confident in taking this unit for a gig.

Daladidoo

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Four30.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  01:02PM )

- >- An MPC2000 with the MPC4000 sequencer, >and it couldn't improve anymore for >me.. :)

Very true...for me an MPC 4k's sequencing as well as sampling engine and converters in the body of an MPC 2K would do the trick just fine.

If Akai released an MPC 4000 LE I bet it would be very close!

Four30

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  01:05PM )

- I also used to have an ASR-X and the sequencer DID suck!! What really strikes me is the fact that we had to wait years before a manufacturer finally decided to put a decent sampler/sequencer together in one box.

Daladidoo

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Flame.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  02:51PM )

- >> So unless akai releases a special carrying bag for that new MPC, I don't feel confident in taking this unit for a gig. <<

I chose for my MPC2000 a few years ago because of it's portability, I think for normal studio-use, people would be better off with a software sequencer, and the average computer doesn't cost as much as an MPC4000

Flame

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woooooo_ooo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (04-Jun-02  07:11PM )

- i'd much rather stare at a monitor than an lcd, no matter how graphic. i also think that in the way of editability, software sequencers have the advantage. I have a hard time understanding to whom akai is marketing this thing. I tend to think that as a 'drum box' it is certainly 'over featured' (as someone mentioned above)...and for what else has the mpc line been known?

woooooo_ooo

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right thru time.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (05-Jun-02  04:00AM )

- i think this is the right direction for akai really... but we certainly dont seem to need another mpc design with this one out. really, what more can you ask for? isnt this basically the answer to so many mpc users gripes? i want one. i would even borrow to get one.

right thru time

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (05-Jun-02  04:13AM )

- Sure you can do more editing with a sofware sequencer. But I found myself spending much more time in the piano roll view editing notes and controllers, copying and pasting loops etc.than actually making music. It just killed my creativity...If you plan to do in depth editing, a software sequencer will always be a better choice. To me the MPC4000 is the perfect balance between real time programming and step editing.

Daladidoo

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HELIOTROPE.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (06-Jun-02  08:33AM )

- Sounds like you really found the machine for you :P congratulations. I feel the same way about my RS. Besdides which MPC4000's are $7900 (AUS) and that's more than double an RS over here :( so the economics of it aren't terribly viable for me. It is an amazing looking unti in the flesh and that built in pop up screen is very very nice. I'm tossing up saving up for a Z4 for proper multisampling which when combined with the RS still cost's less than the MPC4K which is an option I'd love too explore. Getting that balance of form and functionality is half the art of having a great studio. You don't need shitloads of gear just something with a high functinality too performance ratio that makes musical composition both easy and a joy. Sounds like this is the one for you. Goodluck and let us know when you've got some traxx posted up too. :) Peace Helio ......

HELIOTROPE

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speedDevil.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (07-Jun-02  12:28PM )

- Daladidoo: thank you for your mpc4k review. Its the only worthwhile one that I've seen on the net, honestly.

Now that you've had it awhile, I wanted to ask you some questions.

Does the screen ever lag when redrawing all of the info between screen changes? I.e. the refresh rate. I heard that this was one problem with the early OS but maybe it was fixed?

Using it as a drum synth/sampler, are the midi properties easy to set-up? I was thinking about getting a Roland V-drum Set, probably the concert set, for live and using it to trigger my own samples loaded in the MPC4k. This shouldn't be a problem technically but how difficult would it be to set-up?

Any updates on an upcoming OS with ak.sys support? That is very important to me. Do you think that the sequencer will be supported with it or just the sample editing? I had an s6000 studio and the ak.sys via USB was incredible IMO! The deciding factor for me...BTW what is the URL for the Akai user list?

Like you, I am switching over from using a PC seq (Logic) because it was just too much of a PITA. However, I have a ton of synths and the 4 midi outs on the MPC4k won't be enough. I'm using 2 midi interfaces for a total of 16 outs and I'm wondering if you think the MPC4k can handle all of this info- mainly the CC values. I use a lot of CC in my tracks. Do you think this will be a problem? Having seperate midi interfaces should make it less of a problem but can the MPC4k keep up as well as the PC did (a small amount of lag but worked well). I hope it doesn't ruin the 4k's 'tight' timing.

Thanks a lot for your advice!

speedDevil

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micheal.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (07-Jun-02  10:48PM )

- "BTW what is the URL for the Akai user list?"

http://www.midicase.com/akai

Mike Akai Pro samplers mailing list admin

Link: http://www.midicase.com/akai

micheal

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speedDevil.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (08-Jun-02  12:45AM )

- thanks micheal

speedDevil

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (09-Jun-02  09:29AM )

- As for the screen: I didn't notice any flaw but something is worrying me : there's no screen saver you can switch on like on the S5K/6K.I don't really know whether it's a problem though...but it could in the long run. I finally noticed something that does look like a minor bug : when I save a 4 bar sequence to my HD and reload it, one more bar is added to the end of the original sequence. This problem doesn't occur when I save the sequence as an "all" file. I emailed akai about this problem but they did not answer yet... Aksys is still planned for release later on this week (according to Akai tech support). It should at least include all the features of the original aksys for S5K/S6K ei. sample transfering/editing,program/multi setup etc. I don't have any info regarding sequences support but you should at least be able to transfer them via aksys and edit them in logic. Anyway, aksys is also to me one of the most important features of this new MPC so let's hope akai releases it soon! Setting up a midi rig using the MPC4000 was really easy to me : I'm using a nord lead 3, a yamaha CS6X, a yamaha A3000 and a nova. No midi lag was noticed even with 4 CCs (cut off+resonance+ LFO speed+volume) being used at the same time on the drum part+5 other parts (for a total of 16 tracks recorded). I'm thus quite confident about the capability of the MPC to deal with lots of CCs even though I can't guarantee you won't have any midi lag using 2 midi interfaces... But let me tell you one last thing : I've been using this instrument for more than 2 weeks now and it did change my life! Creating tracks has never been so easy and FAST. The sequencer is rock solid, very well thought and the timing has never let me down even with four midi outs being used. It's clear to me that the MPC4K is still under development (some features originaly annonced by akai are still missing) but what's available at the present time already makes this machine one of the most valuable tools I've ever used.

Daladidoo

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (09-Jun-02  09:48AM )

- By the way, I also noticed a few other bugs that are not really annoying but here's the list : -note repeat function may result in notes hanging forever (happened just once) -saving a sequence and reloading it may result in wrong programs being assigned to internal parts ( also happened once) -recording qlink data is impossible for internal parts unless you use a qlink sequence, although this works for external parts (you can thus, for example, control the filter cut off of one of your synths from the MPC and record knob movements in the sequence)

That's it. As you can see, these are VERY minor bugs that never really pissed me off. And I also heard akai is preparing a major OS upgrade to be released some time aroud june 10th that should correct all these problems while adding aksys support.

Daladidoo

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Avene.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (11-Jun-02  11:18PM )

- I've had my MPC4000 for a bit over 2 weeks now, and it's a dream to use! It's entirely possible to use for recording vocals and live parts since you can record samples whilst playing sequences simultaneously. Although you'd need a click at the start of a bar or beat to trigger the sampling so the live parts could be played back in realtime. If I get the separate outputs installed, I could then run the live parts to my 01/V.

There is one thing I found that is a bit irritating. At 24bit 96khz which sounds a lot better, only 2 of the fx processors work. So I'll be sticking with 24bit 44.1khz. Besides, my 01/V is only 44.1 or 48khz.

The first track I created on the MPC4000 which I'm still working on, was created entirely from just one drum loop. But I'd taken a fragment of that loop, looped it, tuned it and then created a number of different sounds from it including bass, pads, etc. Being able to do all this so easily, and with the sound quality you get on this machine is just amazing!

Although there's a hard drive on board, the machine is really quiet. You can still hear it, but it's no where near as bad as a computer. So that's another incentive to do everything on the MPC4000, and not even bother with a computer. I also have Logic 5 with the EXS24, but this thing kills it! It's left me feeling that I'll probably never use Logic again for sequencing, unless I'm stranded somewhere with just my laptop.

The retail price here in Australia is $7995, but I got mine for $6000. And it's worth every cent!

Avene

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DrummerBoy.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (12-Jun-02  12:39AM )

- I'm buying another MPC2000 and just linking them up.

DrummerBoy

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Flame.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (12-Jun-02  04:38AM )

- > I also have Logic 5 with the EXS24, but this thing kills it! <

In what way Avene? I'm really curious.. :-)

Flame

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Avene.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (12-Jun-02  05:18AM )

- The sound quality, user interface, timing, and simplicity mostly. The EXS24 actually sounds quite harsh. I've got most of my sounds loaded into the computer for the EXS24. All my chopped up breakbeats, live bass parts, guitar, piano etc. I originally though that Logic and the EXS24 would improve my productivity dramatically having everything within the one environment. How wrong I was.

To start off with I may have a chopped break beat part. I'll envelope it, filter it etc. For some reason, these beats just don't sound the same playing back from the EXS24. As if they've had the guts ripped out of them. Then I'll layer something else over the top, and things still don't sound any better. Unlike any MPC machine, the drums sound weak. So I try and make those drums in the EXS24 sound fatter by applying plugins. But if I apply any of Logic 5's plugins to the inserts then I end up with that channel being delayed a considerable amount which is a joke, and makes that track unusable.

Then lets say I want to layer an 808 kick over each of the kick drums in the chopped beat's program. How much of a pain that is! I wanted to do this once, but just gave up in the end. Having to go into the EXS24 editor, find the sound I want layer on top of, then set the key range etc. Plus setting the envelope for that layer alone would have been impossible. It was just too much, and would have only been done to make the drums sound fatter due to the EXS's sound quality not being up to scratch. To layer a sound in the MPC4000, or any other MPC would only take a couple of seconds and give you much more control.

Not only that, I was working on one of my girlfriend's tracks once using just library sounds that came with the EXS24. Piano, drums, bass etc. With a number of these sounds playing together, it got messy. The piano lost it's clarity, the bass and drums lost their impact and everything else just sounded distorted.

As for timing, the MPC4000 is as tight as you can get. There's no midi delays to deal with, as it's all internal. There are also enough different filter types for the filters to be used as eq.

Avene

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Flame.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (12-Jun-02  10:15AM )

- Indeed, that are exactly the things where hardware is for: good sound quality on percussion (I thought that was Akai's trademark), ZERO latency and tight as hell.

The only problem is, is that I make lot's of non-rhytmic and classical oriented music lately, making my MPC2000 a littlw obsolete in my setup. I really do miss the damn thing, because of it's directness. So that's why I was so curious about the sequencer possibility's. If I could make the stuff that I make right now on a MPC, then I would love to switch back.

Flame

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speedDevil.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (26-Jun-02  12:58PM )

- hi, I see that the new OS and ak.sys support came out around the 13th. How is it? Any further opinions, Daladidoo? I'm anxious to buy one soon. Thanks!

speedDevil

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Daladidoo.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (27-Jun-02  04:18AM )

- Aksys works pretty well BUT: 1-It crashes whenever I try to edit a program while running the MPC4K sequencer 2- if I drag a single program from my S6000 to the MPC, its associated samples won't be transfered automatically. 3-I can't manage to drag a whole directory from my internal MPC hard to memory.I must thus open the directory, select all the files and load them.

I'm now using OS v1.16 and it didn't add much but aksys support. I'm quite disappointed about this OS: all the minor bugs I pointed out are still there...Moreover, I found out something VERY annoying this time: the OS won't allow me to copy bars : I can copy tracks or sequences but not bars!!! I can deal with that but I'd like to see this feature implemented in the next OS. What strikes me is that this feature was provided on the previous MPC so why couldn't Akai implement it right away?!

Daladidoo

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JAHROME.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (27-Jun-02  09:41AM )

- The 8 output card for the MPC 4000 is available. As far as copying bars..The MPC 4000 does do it. It's just alot different from the previous MPC's. You have to go to the seq edit page to do it. As far as sampling in concearned, you can start and stop sampling very easily. I've owned every MPC and I find it very easy to get my way around on the 4000......By the way, I'm disappointed with Sonic State. I tried to add the MPC 4000 to the Synth Site months ago before it was released in the US. I was lucky to pick one up on it's initial release in Japan. Any MPC users out there, holla at me. jrome@yta.attmil.ne.jp

JAHROME

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tomfinegan.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (27-Jun-02  04:25PM )

- The MPC has a LC Display, those don´t need screensaver anymore, since there´s no electron-beam that can burn into a mask.

tomfinegan

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speedDevil.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (29-Jun-02  01:47AM )

- Thanks for the update! Now, since ak.sys works with the MPC4000, does it work with the sequencer too or is it just used for editing samples/maintaining setups? It working with the seq is important for me!! thx

speedDevil

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Avene.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (29-Jun-02  07:55AM )

- What the MPC4000 really needs is the ability to trigger sampling from a midi note. Then you could record parts from the midi note's position whilst a sequence plays. This would enable the MPC4000 to be used much like a multitracker.

Avene

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rainman.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (30-Jun-02  09:54PM )

- How many note cutoffs do you get for each note? The XL has two but I need more does the 4k give you more cutoffs per note?

thanks

did you figure out if you can copy bars yet?

rainman

rainman

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JAHROME.... MPC 4000: Recording track mutes (15-Oct-02  10:40AM )

- The MPC 4000 user review column is down right now for good reason. There are some clowns on the net that are upset that they can't afford the unit, never touched the unit, yet still leave there two cents on the user reviews. One user(Joey) claims that the MPC 4000 can't record 'track mutes'. I explained how to do this using the 'Track Mute'step record method. I left out other ways to do this on purpose to bait him into making another stupid remark about a unit he never even touched. He posted right back after mine saying that it didn't have 'Real time'track mute recording....Well, that is another lie. Once you record your sequences on the MPC 4000, go into the track mute menu. In the display, you will see the MPC 4000's pads which represent each track in your sequence. While in this menu, hit the record and play buttons on the MPC. As the MPC is recording/playing, hit the pads you want turned on or off. When you play back the sequence, these muted/unmuted tracks will playback exactly the way you recorded them.

JAHROME

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garydolf.... Need some help (16-Oct-02  04:55AM )

- The MPC4000 manual has not been helpful. Can someone please me shed light on this issue? A sequence can have up to 128 tracks and each track can have up to 128 programs. Is there a way to have multiple programs/samples record and play simultaneously in a single track? Everytime I tried recording on mutliple instruments in a single track, it only does it one after the other. In other words, in succession not simultaneous. The other thing is, how do I load/copy samples from a CD into the hard drive? haven't seen any instructions on how to do it. Is there any other user's forum for the MPC4000 Any help would be much appreciated.

garydolf

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Spoff.... Re:My review of the MPC4000 (17-Oct-02  10:22PM )

- There is a forum for the Akai MPC4000 at groups.yahoo.com. Just do a search for it.

Also you could join the Akai mailing list. Directions are at www.midicase.com.

Spoff

Spoff

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JAHROME.... Mulitple programs (19-Oct-02  01:00AM )

- As far as I can see, you can use only two programs per track. If you only had 1 sound/sample/instrument in each program,and the MPC 4000 has 128 tracks per sequence, that would give you 256 sounds?????? Gary, what are you trying to accomplish? Maybe I can help you out a little more.

Jerome

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