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General:  What are the two best VA's that compliment each other???


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kypski.... What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (02-Aug-02  09:16PM )

- there's no best really , but a nice combo would be a Q and a Nord Modular.

kypski

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tdm71.... What are the two best VA's that compliment each ot (02-Aug-02  09:19PM )

- Just curious if you had only two VA's to buy, what does everyone think is the best combination of models that compliment each other in order to give the widest range of sounds?? Nova/Q, Virus/NL, NL/Waldorf, Novation/Virus......This ones smooth, this ones harsh type stuff..

I've always heard everyone one say a Virus sounds like "this" while a Nord sound like "that" and Novations are different from waldorfs cause of this.

Please tell me why each one balances the other out. For arguments sake, let's leave creativity and musicianship aside and only focus on the big 4: VIRUSES-- NLS--- NOVATION--- WALDORF Q'S..

Any thoughts???

tdm71

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Olson5.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (02-Aug-02  09:53PM )

- Novation K-Station - Warm, round sound, very musical and organic sounding

Waldorf Micro Q -

In your face pristine sound quality, alien quality, icy, other-worldy sound.

K-station = 600$ at Guitar Center Waldorf Micro Q = 445$ at NovaMusik.com

IMHO these two units would give you much more diversity than say buying one big VA for 2000$

I dont think VA's in general are worth more than 1000$ new. Romplers and analog, thats another story.

Olson5

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tdm71.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (03-Aug-02  09:11PM )

- Thanks for the advice!!

I was hoping to get a bunch of different comparison from users which VA's they have use/used to balance out there sound.

C'mon don't hold out your opinions on me now!!!:)

tdm71

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SCORPION2K1.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  08:56AM )

- I think the Roland Jp 8080 and the Virus is a good combo. And no problem to add in a Korg EA-1 or a MS 2000 too.

SCORPION2K1

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Digital Cold.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (04-Aug-02  09:54AM )

- Virus and AniX (or JP-8080 because they can prtty much do the same things.) compliment each other beautifully.

Digital Cold

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fireclown.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  11:44AM )

- Korg Z1 and NL 2 are a good combo,Nova and Z1=good combo. Sirius+Polymorph=good combo,Microwave XT+Z1=alien death machine,MicroQ+MS2000=good combo. I know the MWXT is a wavetable synth,but it sounds real good.I have these synths,and have been trying various combinations,mainly to have a small but formidable synth package for live work,instead of dragging out more than I need. Oh yeah,MS2000+NL2=good combo!

fireclown

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tortoise.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (04-Aug-02  02:30PM )

- This partially comes down to taste, but I mix up VAs as "deep programmable digital sheen" type VAs and a "warm liquid analog emulator" type VAs. Which is which is up for perpetual argument, but there is a difference. For maximum bang/buck, I try to minimize overlap (e.g. a Z1+Q wouldn't be a particularly complementary pairing soundwise, though both sound great).

For me, that boils down to a Korg Z1, an Access Virus B, and Juno-106. I can get any sound I need with these three if I do my job right. I added the Juno to the list because it is cheap and it brings something to the table even though I could live without it. The Z1 is not the most analog sounding VA, but it justifies its place with its killer sounding synthesis engine. The Virus, on the other hand lends itself to analogness quite well but can only do a tiny fraction of the soundspace of the Z1.

I've had the Z1 forever, so my purchasing choices were made from that basis, and I like the sound of my kit a lot. If I was building an alternative kit list that didn't include the Z1, I would probably choose the Q+SN2 for a pair of VAs. Don't lose sight of the fact that the selection of VAs has very little to do with the music you can make with them. The "I need X to *really* make my music" is the excuse gearwhores use for their habit, but it is usually much cheaper to learn to program the gear you already have.

tortoise

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Retep.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  02:31PM )

- Waldorf Q(+ if that qualifies) & Access Virus C.

Q is very clear, Virus a little muddier, but more analogish...

Retep

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delysid.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  04:05PM )

- There might be better combos out there, but the JP-8080 and the Virus KB is a good one as S2k1 and DC said.

delysid

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3DarkHours.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  04:53PM )

- The Nord Modular is a nice complement to anything just for its uniqueness.

That said, I'd personally recommend one VA and one something else (perhaps an FS1R?) for variety.

3DarkHours

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Olson5.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  07:48PM )

- I guess Im consumed by gear lust because I have a MOSS, Reaktor and the K-station as VA's, yet I still want the Micro Q for 445$. The Q and the Z1 seem to overlap a bit in the "alienish-otherworldly" sounds.

Olson5

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3DarkHours.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  08:55PM )

- > I guess Im consumed by gear lust because I have a MOSS

Believe me - I can sympathize :-)

> "alienish-otherworldly" sounds.

so so yes, more so Z1, but Kawai K5000s is the KING of otherworldy-alien IMHO.

3DarkHours

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tdm71.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (04-Aug-02  09:57PM )

- Guys THANKS SOOO MUCH!!

This is the kind of advice I was looking for!!

I can totally relate to all the gear whores out there ( In fact I'm wearing bright red lipstick right now!! Just kidding--- It's not RED!)

I recently purchased a Nord Lead 3 which I really like. I was wondering what everyone one thinks would be the best to compliment it?? It does seem to do a lot of really awesome stuff but it does miss in a few areas.

What does everyone think of the VIRUS to compliment the NL3? Is it one in the same as far as tonal qualities and will it just give me more of the same?? I LOVE the demo's on the Access website!!

Also, would a MOSS/NL3 combo be overlap???

I produce RnB/ Hip Hop/Funky Pop Dance type stuff so I'm more interested in funky (prince, funk, old school) sounds (leads/blips/bass etc..) rather than Euro dance sounds (if that's any help)

THANKS So much once again :)

tdm71

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Lava.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (04-Aug-02  10:05PM )

- I'd pick the Waldorf Q and the Virus C. But if it didn't have to be a VA, I'd agree with 3DarkHours and say get an FS1r.

Lava

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tdm71.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (04-Aug-02  10:09PM )

- I guess what I'm looking for are Pro-5, Moog, OB, etc.. type sounds. And who isn't looking for these sounds but I'll mention them anyways: Deep/Solid/FAT Bass, Soft pads, Smooth/Searing Leads and other Funky stuff..

Once again THANKS

tdm71

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Olson5.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (05-Aug-02  01:41AM )

- The best bass on any VA is easily Novations stuff. They don't sound cheap and patchy on the lower registries.

Olson5

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Olson5.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (05-Aug-02  01:48AM )

- ""I recently purchased a Nord Lead 3 which I really like. I was wondering what everyone one thinks would be the best to compliment it?? It does seem to do a lot of really awesome stuff but it does miss in a few areas. ""

What areas does it miss in?

""What does everyone think of the VIRUS to compliment the NL3? Is it one in the same as far as tonal qualities and will it just give me more of the same?? I LOVE the demo's on the Access website!! ""

The Virus is sweet but I im not sure that would compliment your Nord the best.

""Also, would a MOSS/NL3 combo be overlap??? ""

Hmm...the MOSS is a 6 voice option for the Korg Triton, so you either have to have a Korg Triton or you can get the Korg Z1, which is a 12 voice MOSS. MOSS option for Triton = same thing as Z1 but only 6 voices.

The MOSS can do some VA well, but it's strengths are in clav, awesome strings, great freaking electric piano's, and otherworldy sounds. The MOSS/Z1 is by far deeper than any hardware synth except for Nord Modular or Kurzweil VAST.

That being said I think a Z1 and a NL3 would be an awesome combination. If it were me I would look at the K-station, Micro Q or z1 to compliment your Nord Lead 3. Remember - the Z1/MOSS is NOT a "mimmick only" synth. It is a SYNTH of the NOW, of the future. You can do things on it no one has ever heard of.

""I produce RnB/ Hip Hop/Funky Pop Dance type stuff so I'm more interested in funky (prince, funk, old school) sounds (leads/blips/bass etc..) rather than Euro dance sounds (if that's any help) ""

Well you can do leads, blips and bass on any of these synths, with the novation stuff doing the best bass by far.

Olson5

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aeon.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (05-Aug-02  12:41PM )

- >>Just curious if you had only two VA's to buy, what does everyone think is the best combination of models that compliment each other in order to give the widest range of sounds??

Clavia Nord Modular and Korg OASYS PCI.

no question.

aeon

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pnedito.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (05-Aug-02  12:43PM )

- hrmm...

This is gonna seem like an odd combo to some, but here goes:

Machine Drum & Fizmo.

def. a sound that is gonna be hot in the near future...

pnedito

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tortoise.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (05-Aug-02  01:52PM )

- The MachineDrum is wicked good. Well worth the cost of entry, and one of the best pieces of kit being made right now in my opinion.

I don't know about the Fizmo though. A lot of people like to bag on it, but I've played with it myself and didn't find it that great. It didn't sound totally ass, it just didn't bring anything to the table that would encourage me to buy it or that made it particularly unique sounding. But who knows, maybe it will become popular.

tortoise

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tortoise.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (05-Aug-02  02:23PM )

- RE: Z1 madness for the uninitiated. One of my favorite things to do with it to demonstrate its synthesis engine is to take a versatile physical model (e.g. the "plucked string" model) and then modulate the hell out of the physical model parameters with the mod matrix. There is no ordinary synthesis technology that really quite sounds like a physical model that is being fundamentally modulated at audio rates. (For example, imagine modulating the tightness of a violin string, with the peculiar way its sound quality and pitch change with tightness, with the buttload of modulation sources available on the Z1.) If you aren't careful it will sound like chaos, but sometimes you get a stable oscillator that sounds completely UNREAL, which you can then pipe through the thoroughly competent subtractive synthesis engine of the Z1. It is this ability to combine a very broad and unusual range of modelled oscillators with a modulation matrix and subtractive synthesis engine that puts many popular VAs to shame despite being several years old that makes it golden even though it isn't the most authentic sounding VA on the market by any means.

tortoise

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epiphanius.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (05-Aug-02  03:30PM )

- tdm71 - Check out an AN1X - it may be what you're after and it's an awful lot of fun.

This is a great thread idea - I was recently about to add an MS2000 to my An1x/Juno106/TX81z arsenal (got my lipstick on too), but was surprised by how much the MS2000 sounded like the AN1X; not the same, just similar enough too change my mind.

I'll look into the MicroQ, as well as the Nord Micromod next time I feel like standing on a streetcorner.

e.

epiphanius

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tdm71.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (05-Aug-02  04:56PM )

- Any thought on the Virus /NL 3 combo??

Also, what is everyones choice for the best NL3 combo with another VA??

THANKS

tdm71

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Ignor.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (05-Aug-02  07:57PM )

- Currently Micro Q keyboard controlling Microwave XT and Nord MicroModular(and knobby controller) is a portable, inexpensive, killer combination. Not a 2 VA combination but I had to mention it. I used to pair a NordLead and AN1X and that was a GREAT pairing. The AN200 is being blown out for just over $250 now. It's not quite an AN1X but I'm sure it would go well with the NordLead. You can ignore the groove box features if you want.

Ignor

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gobojacobs.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (05-Aug-02  10:58PM )

- epiphanius and ignor...

i've got an an1x (my first and only decent synth), and am trying to figure out what the next purchase is. there's a tx81z in immaculate condition that i'm definitely looking into (so cheap, i can't pass it over), but beyond that, what else have you found couples well with the an1x sonically? care to elaborate on your choices (juno106 which is classic in any setup, or the future classic nl1)?

same goes for anyone else. assuming i pick up the 81z for fm and already have a decent rompler, what should i pick up next (on a budget) to fill out my pallette?

gobojacobs

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epiphanius.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (06-Aug-02  04:21AM )

- I think you're off to a pretty good start by the time you pick up the Tx81z. Take some time with those, perhaps.

epiphanius

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Realtrance.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (06-Aug-02  11:31AM )

- tdm71,

I'm trying to listen to what you're wanting here, instead of doing any kind of absolute X+Y suggestions:

First, I have to say that if you've just gotten an NL3 and you want something to complement it, especially in the areas you've described, my strongest recommendation would be to say: the NL3 soundset, and Euro soundsets in general, tend to emphasize a "clean" sound over the punchier, growlier warmer soundsets you'll find shipped with VAs from Japan or the US.

Which means: you're hearing the sound design, not the synth.

Spend time learning how to capture the tonalities you're looking for on the NL3 before spending any more money.

If, after a year of that, you're _certain_ you can't get what you're looking for from the NL3 and need another instrument to complement its sound, then I'd recommend an MS2000, K-Station/Supernova II, AN-1x and JP-8080 as your best options.

You may want to seriously consider a good effects unit, such as the TC Electronics Fireworx, instead of another synth, to fill out the sound capabilities you already have with your NL3 powerhouse -- that would probably be the best immediate move, if you have to spend money right now.

rt

Realtrance

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waldorfwave.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (06-Aug-02  12:24PM )

- Q+, virus c who needs anything else?? Anyone know why access will not put a damn digital out and in on the virus???

waldorfwave

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Realtrance.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (06-Aug-02  01:58PM )

- If I had NO VA or RA right now, certainly my choices would be Moog Voyager + one of Waldorf Q+, Andromeda A6, Virus C or Supernova II. In terms of sheer quality and variety, nothing else out there would begin to touch that list.

But, that's not the question tdm71 asked.

rt

Realtrance

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tdm71.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (08-Aug-02  11:09PM )

- Thanks so much for all the GREAT advice!! I appreciate it!!

Just wondering if anyone can tell me how well the VIRUS complements the Nord Lead 3??

Would a Novation, Micro-q, or AN1x serve me better??

THANKS

tdm71

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COALSLAG.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (09-Aug-02  10:02AM )

- I have a Nord Lead 3 and guess what synth I want next the Virus C. I want to get rid of my Nova. Not that the Nova sucks but I just want the harshest sound I can get out of a synth and the Virus fits that bill along with the Nord. and both are very capable of sounding smooth and soft. The Virus has better effects than the Nova. The only thing is I will be going from one of the simplest interfaces to one of the most complex. But I like a chalenge. Its all in your ear and my ear says yes the sound of both the virus and the NL# complement each other very nicely and you can download 22 difrent sound patchs toboot!

Link: http://www.access-music.de/downloads.php4?product= ...

COALSLAG

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machinapathy.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (12-Aug-02  04:14AM )

- To tell you the truth, I think you'd be good with two of the following: ESQ1 (not a VA in a strict sense but a hell of machine), MS2000 (weird noises and analog warmth), xt (also not a pure VA but a huge variety of weird sounds)...

machinapathy

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tdm71.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (26-Aug-02  06:50PM )

- Any thoughts on how the Nord Lead 3 and Virus B compare together??

Would it be overlap or would they compliment one another nicely??

tdm71

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alles_ist_dada.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (28-Aug-02  08:47PM )

- Not too sure about a Lead 3, but my Lead 2 and Virus b compliment each other pretty well. While they are both VA, I think they each have a distinct enough sound that it's worth having them both.

alles_ist_dada

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SCORPION2K1.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (29-Aug-02  03:14AM )

- JP 8080 and Virus KB. nuff said

SCORPION2K1

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Digital Cold.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (10-Sep-02  09:26PM )

- Well, I own a Virus and a Yamaha An1x and they compliment beutifully. My An1x can pump out some INSANE leads basses and pads while my Virus is ALOT different sounding but in an unexplainable manner.

This might sound crazy but I have found over the past year or so that I enjoy the sound of my An1x over the Virus. But, I must admit the Virus always has it's place in my songs as well as the An1x.

All I have left to say is that I have found a VA combination that will be in my studio for many years to come (I am only 17 =)

I am looking to pick up one of the other 3 companies you mentioned though in the near future. I rally have my eye on the Ms2000r for it's cheapness and weird fill in sounds to really make a comp. sound complete. Any suggestions?

Digital Cold

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Olson5.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (11-Sep-02  01:44AM )

- Korg Z1 and Novation Supernova 2

Olson5

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rjx.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (11-Sep-02  05:54AM )

- The va's I have are a nord lead 1, virus c, and jp8000 and they all sound different. I may also grab a q+,fizmo and a supernova 2. What about the yamaha vl series? Anyone own one of those?

rjx

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rjx.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (11-Sep-02  06:04AM )

- BTW

All the synths that I own are a jp8000, virus c, nord lead 1 rack, juno 106, fr777, cs6x, and a dx200...plus i have a tg33 and a microwave xt comming to me.

My point is that the virus smokes em all...excluding the xt cos I dont have much experience with that synth to judge.

rjx

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Digital Cold.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (13-Sep-02  09:43PM )

- Damn Rj, you have built up a nice setup. Got any music you can e-mail me with a brakedown of what synths do what?

Digital Cold

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SCORPION2K1.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (14-Sep-02  11:54PM )

- The Virus even smokes the Juno 106 and the FR 777? Noooooo =O

SCORPION2K1

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tortoise.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each (16-Sep-02  01:48AM )

- Juno-106 versus Virus will definitely fall into the Virus camp. I mean, the Juno-106 sounds bloody great for what it does, but it doesn't do all that much. In the mix the Virus wins out for its programmability, and it sounds pretty damn good too. What makes the Juno-106 great on its own doesn't really hold up in a mix when everything is going at once. I've owned both of these for quite a while, so I know what I speak of. :-)

That said, my Z1 is capable of sounding far more evil, brutal, and raw than the Virus, despite the Virus' reputation in this regard. The Z1 would rip the head off the virus and then defile its grave.

tortoise

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^_^.... Re:What are the two best VA's that compliment each other??? (16-Sep-02  03:19AM )

- when i had my z1 i found it hard to get nice harsh tones out of it...not very aggressive imho. i think the virus is much more aggressive. also find the lack of multi-outs very upsetting on the z1. honestly if i had to pick up 2 vas right now, i wouldn't, i'd pick up instead a nord 3, and a juno106 and that'll cover loads of sounds, pick up some nice fx, be sweet as hell :)...nord can do a bunch of great basslines, but not like the juno. and who cares if it isn't capable of that much, you don't have to do much. it's all in the melody not so much in the sound :)

^_^

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