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Monitors:  NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end


22-Oct-02 (Yang)
22-Oct-02 (Wingman)
23-Oct-02 (Yang)
23-Oct-02 (Albert)
24-Oct-02 (the Wizard)
24-Oct-02 (Yang)
01-Nov-02 (KZ)
16-Jul-05 (kellyonthemic)
05-Oct-05 (nick@sonic)
05-Oct-05 (fac)
28-Jan-06 (jeff1x)
19-Sep-07 (ryanwilliams)
17-Jun-10 (Rani T)
17-Jun-10 (Rani T)


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Yang.... NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (22-Oct-02  01:07PM )

- My monitoring system at current is a pair of yamaha NS10's powered by a Yamaha P1600 amp.But my NS10's leave me guessing when it comes to the bottom end and my finished mixes are coming out to bassy on other systems.Should I replace my NS10's or should I go for a sub woofer to add bass?

Any ideas of make/model?

Yang

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Wingman.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (22-Oct-02  07:31PM )

- The NS-10s are famous for their lack of frequency response at the hi and low ends, particularly in the low end. For some reason, however, the NS-10s continue to be the most widely used monitors. This has probably been true since their creation.

So, what does this mean? You have two choices. 1) Take the time to learn what a good mix sounds like in the monitors. Spend time listening to albums and other good mixes through your NS-10s. With any monitor, 'time in type' is important. You need to learn what a good mix sounds like through them. I use NS-10s, and it's a love-hate relationship.

2) Buy new monitors. If you just need the low end, bite the bullet and buy new speakers. Don't just buy because of reputation. Put some familiar mixes on a CD, and listen to them through any potential monitors. Make sure you hear what you want to hear, and the you'll feel comfortable mixing with them.

Subwoofer? I'm not a big fan. I feel like they are mushy and not very accurate, but that's just me. Good luck.

Wingman

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Yang.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (23-Oct-02  04:36PM )

- Thanks for the reponse and advice.I have tried listened to good mixes through my NS10's for comparsion when I'm mixing down, but still I find it hard to get the bass right.Maybe I just need to speed more time learning how they sound and practice my mix down.Thanks again.

Any other opinions on what I should do?

Yang

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Albert.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (23-Oct-02  08:05PM )

- I'd recommend getting a powered subwoofer. Set the crossover at around 70, and set the volume fairly low. A mistake that can be made is turning the volume too high on the sub. It's just there for a support, just to show what's going on down there.

You don't need a great powered subwoofer, just a decent one in the $200-400 range.

Link: http://www.misterpotts.com

Albert

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the Wizard.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (24-Oct-02  04:27AM )

- NS10's were first used for television audio production, and in mono. they only cover the mid-range freq's.

the Wizard

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Yang.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (24-Oct-02  01:20PM )

- Thanks for the info and advice.

Yang

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KZ.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (01-Nov-02  01:12AM )

- Dump the NS10's while there are still a lot of suckers on ebay wanting them and get set of Mackies and you'll be set. The reason the Yamaha got used in the studio is because that's as close as you can get to a crappy sound system or a car sound system and no studio used NS10 strictly for mixing. they always had a second pair of monitors for AB.

KZ

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kellyonthemic.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (16-Jul-05  07:37PM )

- I was told by a teacher of recording engineering that he prefers Tannoy Reveals to the Yamaha NS 10s because he noticed his ears would tire quickly after listening for a couple of hours to the Yamahas. He said the Yamahas have too much high end, and he was overmixing the bass. Hope this helps!

kellyonthemic

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nick@sonic.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (05-Oct-05  08:54AM )

- All true on NS10s but if you get a mix sounding right on them it should translate pretty well to other systems.

If you have any other sets of speakers, boom boxes etc, get them wired up too and do a lot of comparrisons.

I have a pair and run them with a very high powered amp 600 per side - they do sound better with a great amp. And also at high levels check how much the cones crease on the kick - it shows you have somestuff down below 60hz.

I also use a pair of Genelec self powered 1029A'a which are pretty good. But ultimately it takes time to learn a set of speakers and understand what good mixes sound like on them.

nick@sonic


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fac.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (05-Oct-05  11:10AM )

- I have a pair of Alesis M1's (Mk1 - the original model) and they have a similar problem. Below 60 Hz, the bass response starts to drop and at 40 Hz it's completely unreliable. I also suffered from boomy bass and rattling kicks, so I decided I wasn't going to mess with stuff I can't hear. What I do now is pass the mix through an EQ (in the mastering stage) and cut everything below 40 Hz by a several amount (12 db or more). I also add a bit of shine by boosting above 8 Khz a little (around 3 db). Of course, the exact settings depend on each song, but now my mixes are much clear and the bass doesn't give me trouble.

Like Nick says, you must eventually learn how a mix will translate from your monitors to other systems. I've been using the M1's for five years now. If I had to replace them, I would probably get another pair of M1's.

fac


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jeff1x.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (28-Jan-06  01:36AM )

- I just purchased a pair of NS10m's for $300.00 have yet to recieve them , but in my studio I use Event 20/20's and they can fool me with bass. I use 20/20's , NS 25t's , Bose 201's and a KLH sub with a Niles speaker switch to switch around and get a broader perspective.

jeff1x

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ryanwilliams.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (19-Sep-07  10:43AM )

- The thing that you have to remember is that these monitors are not designed to be to standard of a concert system or equivalent, they are designed to be the exact standard of the average persons hi fi system. Never shoudl you mix on a pair of NS10's.. they are merely to playback and check that the sound is suitable for your average jon smiths stereo. The average person doesn't have a 18' subs in there living room, so using them to broadcast monitor on is irrelavent as when they put that CD in there 9' cone boom box is gna rip it to shreds!

Just something to bare in mind. =]

ryanwilliams

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Rani T.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (17-Jun-10  10:35AM )

- It long time come but you should now this by the time you read it but fix your environment!!!!! If you can get the bass right I guess you need to sort out the standing waves!!! The NS 10 do a very good job of balancing the bass... Hope that helps...

The fact that I can finish a mix on them read for release should be all you need to know...

Link: www.rollerproductions.co.uk

Rani T

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Rani T.... Re:NS10's leave me guessing with the bottom end (17-Jun-10  10:48AM )

- Some of you so called know your stuff people should do your home work! Shouting about this and that. Lets get one thing right they do work and if you can't understand then you need to learn more. It true not all products suit everyone and that more the point!!! Your work many sound crap to start with but first check the recording are good then when you sure about that bit. Then make your track sound good and your NS10's will also should good because YOU have mixed it correctly. It sound most of you shouters are looking for something to blame other yourself. Ensure you weight up all the factors when mixing. This a very common mistake..... Me included years ago!

Link: www.rollerproductions.co.uk

Rani T

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