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Music Theory:  unresolved


19-Mar-03 (Elana)
19-Mar-03 (fac)
19-Mar-03 (Dr. Whammo)
20-Mar-03 (Wingman)
21-Mar-03 (Dr. Whammo)
24-Mar-03 (shelfman)
24-Mar-03 (Elana)
24-Mar-03 (MetalMuse)
06-May-03 (Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™)
06-May-03 (Elana)
07-May-03 (Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™)
07-May-03 (Elana)
07-May-03 (Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™)
10-May-03 (opaeque)
10-May-03 (Elana)
10-May-03 (opaeque)
11-May-03 (Elana)
11-May-03 (opaeque)
31-May-03 (takemike85)
02-Jun-03 (Elana)
03-Jun-03 (Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™)
06-Jun-03 (aaron66)
06-Jun-03 (Wild Jagd)
10-Jun-03 (FIZMO100)
12-Jun-03 (swift_tee)
06-Aug-03 (swift_tee)
06-Aug-03 (mindcurve)
07-Aug-03 (swift_tee)
07-Aug-03 (mindcurve)
08-Aug-03 (Elana)
11-Aug-03 (zengomi)
07-Aug-04 (Tom Lockwood)
10-Aug-04 (shelfman)
12-Aug-04 (j i m)
25-Jul-05 (meian)
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29-Nov-05 (Jack Kalabas)
30-Nov-05 (Dr. Whammo)
28-May-07 (bobsonjazoe)



Elana.... unresolved (19-Mar-03  02:17AM )

- I am curious if other people like ending a tune/song unresolved. I often find myself ending a tune that I am writing or helping to write in that way.

Elana

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fac.... Re:unresolved (19-Mar-03  10:44AM )

- I always leave things unresolved. Songs, jobs, and even

fac


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Dr. Whammo.... Re:unresolved (19-Mar-03  05:19PM )

- I know its a very common way of creating musical "tension" - especially effective at a break or interlude. It can also be used to other effects... depending on the intervals and modes used in the song.

Dr. Whammo


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Wingman.... Re:unresolved (20-Mar-03  09:13PM )

- It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you're writing commercially, I'd say that 9 times out of 10, unresolved tension isn't good becuase most listeners want things nice and neat. There are songs that pull it off, but it sure is tricky. I would say that the lyrical content would have a huge role in determining if it's an effective device. The lyrical themes would really have to lend itself to unresolved music.

Wingman

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Dr. Whammo.... Re:unresolved (21-Mar-03  01:46PM )

- Yes, it is more often used in the "moody" genres like soft indie pop, goth stuff, new wave, and the possibly defunct "emo", among others. And of course, it is also used in orchestral peices where dynamics and emotion are constantly in flux.

But jingles... in about 95% of the time I would say no to using unresolved endings.

Dr. Whammo


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shelfman.... Re:unresolved (24-Mar-03  07:57AM )

- I understand, but can I off hand think of one example of a song with an "unresolved ending"

No I cant, yet there's prob hundreds in my album collection...

go on, gizza clue.

shelfman

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (24-Mar-03  08:14AM )

- I have to think on that also. Anyone else have examples of known tunes with "unresolved endings"?

Elana

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MetalMuse.... Re:unresolved (24-Mar-03  11:17PM )

- The world doesn't need another unfinished symphony.

MetalMuse

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Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™.... Re:unresolved (06-May-03  12:49PM )

- Yeah - Unesolved endings !! We Like

But it does depend on the context and it also depends on the type of unresolved-ness !! ha ha

You can do so many forms of unresolved endings - Just listen to any of the music links in Friends for open and questioning endings

I really dig Unresolved stuff - Unfortunately not many of muy clients have the understanding :(

Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (06-May-03  03:22PM )

- "listen to any of the music links in Friends for open and questioning endings"

Is that at TGS? Where do I find this i.e. Friends?

Elana

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Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™.... Re:unresolved (07-May-03  05:38AM )

- You are Jesting are you not ?

You know ! Friends - the TV Show

Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (07-May-03  07:58AM )

- Well, it could have been something else! If had been, then I would look for it, not find it there, ask whats up, bla, bla and still look ignorant. Figured I might as well get it over with.

Elana

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Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™.... Re:unresolved (07-May-03  09:12AM )

- very true

Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™

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opaeque.... Re:unresolved (10-May-03  09:44PM )

- this is an interesting topic.

basically, unresolved rules.

it's funny because i wrote a track two years ago that i loved and everyone else hated because it has "no ending".

i was asked "why did you not finish it?". i respond "but it is finished!".

i simply reached a point in the development where, as with sculpting, i realized any further addition or augmentation of the mold would result in an inferior product.

you may hear it at http://www.mp3.com/opaeque/

track is called 'ete' and its the third one down.

it's a pretty textbook example of "unresolved" i think.

Link: http://www.mp3.com/opaeque/

opaeque

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (10-May-03  10:06PM )

- I loved it! I also listened to most distant supernova. I had to because I recently wrote a poem entitled supernova. I have provided a link to that poem.

Link: http://artconspiracy.com/conspiracy_word_gallery_i ...

Elana

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opaeque.... Re:unresolved (10-May-03  11:53PM )

- thank you.

your poem is a very brilliant image; it is scary how well it goes with the music piece actually.

the inspiration for 'most-distant' was when i first relocated to my new (now current) home located in the midst of a large forest. i spent some evenings sitting in the grass looking up and breathing; it appears you have had a similar experience.

opaeque

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (11-May-03  01:50AM )

- I have indeed! Frequently. In the city and other places. By the way, the Art Conspiracy ("AC") does include "sound" galleries. Musicians do post the link to the MP3 site there and can sell, I believe, their CDs. The AC is free.

Elana

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opaeque.... Re:unresolved (11-May-03  10:01AM )

- Interesting. Thank you again.

opaeque

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takemike85.... Re:unresolved (31-May-03  09:24PM )

- It also depends on your audience type. Some audiences, like those who listen more "actively" (actually listen to the chord progressions...key changes...etc.)than "passively" (just singing back to the radio) enjoy unresolved music because in their minds they can hear it resolve, when it never really does. Listen to a lot of the contemporary composer Eric Whitacre (esp. his choral works) without stopping. You will have a headache from having to fight the dissonances with your musical ear while picking out the soothing hidden melodies. Kinda both at the same time, which makes his music phenomenal.

takemike85

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (02-Jun-03  10:31PM )

- I will check it out! Thanks for the recommendation.

Elana

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Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™.... Re:unresolved (03-Jun-03  10:47AM )

- Repetition ! - Its the reason we like everything ! even the way our ears are trained to like to the western diatonic scale - ( or if you're born in Indonesia the Gamalan tunings etc etc )

Rt.Hon.Beerma§ter™

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aaron66.... Re:unresolved (06-Jun-03  06:02PM )

- How in the f**k do you read music?!?!?

aaron66

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Wild Jagd.... Re:unresolved (06-Jun-03  06:29PM )

- it's a wonderful thing...

Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+read+musi ...

Wild Jagd

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FIZMO100.... Re:unresolved (10-Jun-03  06:42PM )

- I tried to hand in a GCSE composition piece for my exam that was about 40 secs long. My excuse was that the ending was prematurely unresolved. Needless to say, it didn't work!

FIZMO100

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swift_tee.... Re:unresolved (12-Jun-03  09:39AM )

- If you play by ear, try getting a recording of the piece and learning it from that, then analyse the corresponding music that comes with it.

swift_tee

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swift_tee.... Re:unresolved (06-Aug-03  04:10PM )

- Also a maj 7th chord 1/2 step from the 5 chord sus is a pretty ending. (ex. d min g sus a flat maj 7th)

swift_tee

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mindcurve.... Re:unresolved (06-Aug-03  09:30PM )

- Are you thinking of that for a song with a C or Ab fundamental? Or something else?

mindcurve

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swift_tee.... Re:unresolved (07-Aug-03  01:45PM )

- In the key of C... The progression ends in Ab maj.

swift_tee

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mindcurve.... Re:unresolved (07-Aug-03  06:06PM )

- interesting... I really should turn on my gear and try it. I haven't touched my gear in quite a while.

mindcurve

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Elana.... Re:unresolved (08-Aug-03  08:04AM )

- lovely!

Elana

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zengomi.... Re:unresolved (11-Aug-03  12:13PM )

- how to end a piece of music? that is the overarching question.

resolved or unresolved or...?

there are other perspectives, because those are but two sides of one coin.

there's the fade out, where you really don't know what happens.

there's the abrupt ending...that just is.

returning to resolved/unresolved: simultaneity.

zengomi


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Tom Lockwood.... Re:unresolved (07-Aug-04  02:45AM )

- I did a song, about 7 years ago or so, with which I was pleased.it is a song about an 8 year old boy,who sees his sister run out of the house crying. she runs so fast, by the time the boy gets his shoes on and jumps on his bike, his sister is no where to be found.each street he looks at is empty.he begins to cry.he doesnt understand what caused this.years go by and the boy has grown up,but he still kneels beside his bed at night, and prays.altho the sister has written and even gotten married,she has remained a stranger all these years.each time he kneels beside the bed and prays, he goes back in time.to that first time. strangely, a hormonal imbalance during her pregnancey has caused her to become manic depressive, and her second husband decides he cant handle it.they split up. later on after the child is born, she decides to take a nice long trip to her folkses home in the pacific north west. she goes thru an episode while visiting, and takes off walking, with out a jacket or a sweater,and no money.its freezing cold, and she dissapears.after missing all night, and still no word from her, an A.P.B. is put out for her. after a day or two, some sketchy reports begin to trickle in. history seems to have repeted itself once again, altho she is found and brought back safely to the family, her stay,is cut short, as it is determined that she needed to get back to her own immediate family. once again, she has distanced herself from the family,thru her neglecting to take her pills. she goes back home to north carolina. and back into obscurety. what seemed to be a glimmer of hope, turned out to be a glimmer of the past. with the song ending the same as it began and no ending, no conclusion, except for the little boy kneeling beside his bed, saying a prayer.

Link: tomngale@dcsi.net

Tom Lockwood

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shelfman.... Re:unresolved (10-Aug-04  07:21AM )

- I did a song about a bloke who arranges to meet his Girlfriend that he hasn't seen for ages. Very romantic, 3/4 waltz time.

It will be a long awaited and eagerly anticipated Christmas reunion. They arrange to meet at her place in a part of west London known as Kew.

But he mis-heard, and spent the next 25 years sitting and waiting on platform 7 at Crewe.

Crewe is a large rail station which serves as a hub for many UK routes. The town of Crewe is a shithole. Kew is an affluent area and home to the World famous Kew Botanical Gardens. These facts are not relevant to the song. Actually they have nothing to do with MUSIC THEORY either.

I never figured whether they should eventually meet and live happily ever after or whether it ends up a song about unrequited yearning.

I just can't work it out.

shelfman

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j i m.... Re:unresolved (12-Aug-04  04:09AM )

- I think they should meet, unrequited love is tragic.

j i m

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meian.... i need the price (25-Jul-05  05:37PM )

- i have found a solton synth by keltron and is about 330 of the green ones in that store but i need a list price . and i can't find any page or catalog of keltron of synth's of the 80's or so . does anybody know were i can look for it ?

meian

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meian.... Re:unresolved (25-Jul-05  05:39PM )

- ups . i didn't knew i post the messege in the music theory . UNRESOLVED .

meian

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Jack Kalabas.... Re:unresolved (29-Nov-05  11:36AM )

- I think sometimes if the artist leaves the song unresolved it lets them keep the creativity open, "an artist never finishes their work, they just have to abandon their work" this is a half ass job of trying to remimber a quote by someone, some artist, cant remimber the quote or the artist right now, wake-n-*ake, but its so hard sometimes to just put the cap on all those feelings that you get when making the song. is this close to what you were all trying to get at or is it more technical than this emotional attachment thing.

Jack Kalabas

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Dr. Whammo.... Re:unresolved (30-Nov-05  07:23AM )

- when will this thread fucking die already...

oh wait - now i get it!!!!

Dr. Whammo


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bobsonjazoe.... Re:unresolved (28-May-07  10:14AM )

- I like the way Dinosaur JR did Just like Heaven. Thats the best example I can think of.

bobsonjazoe

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