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ProTools:  Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem!


08-Sep-05 (SekondThought)
09-Sep-05 (victor_bln)
09-Sep-05 (prophet11)
09-Sep-05 (machinapathy)
09-Sep-05 (SekondThought)
09-Sep-05 (machinapathy)
09-Sep-05 (Dr. Whammo)
10-Sep-05 (victor_bln)
10-Sep-05 (SekondThought)
10-Sep-05 (Dr. Whammo)
11-Sep-05 (Giant Robot)
11-Sep-05 (SekondThought)
11-Sep-05 (SekondThought)
12-Sep-05 (nick@sonic)


Original Message
SekondThought.... Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (08-Sep-05  06:34PM )

- I recently bought an M-Audio FireWire Solo audio interface and Pro Tools M-Powered and was very pleased until I came to add some RTAS instrument plugins. I added NI Reaktor Session and some of the Pro Series romplers only to find that I am not able to assign MIDI channels to them, so I cannot play them from my CME UF5 keyboard! What is goning on here? Pro Tools has so far come up with two responces when I goto sellect MIDI channels for the plugins:

1.: No active channels 2.: None (with a tick next to it)

The only way I have been able to get them to work is to buy a copy of fxpansions VST-to-RTAS Adapter, then (when sellected under the sub heading of "Other"), they work fine!!! Does anyone know if this is going to be fixed in the near future? I cannot understand why a company like Digidesign didn't spot this in the pre-release...but then they did other dumb things like not including EQIII with M-Powered 6.8, so that you have to download it from the Digi website! Why, when it comes as standard with Pro Tools LE 6.9???

God, I wish I'd bought a Mac and Logic Pro instead of a PC and Pro Tools!

SekondThought

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victor_bln.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (09-Sep-05  09:57AM )

- Not an answer to your problem, but it seems that soon you'll be able to run again Logic on your PC, as Mac is moving it's OS platform to PC :)

victor_bln

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prophet11.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (09-Sep-05  10:17AM )

- >>Logic on your PC, as Mac is moving it's OS platform to PC...

Er, I don't thinks so. Apple will move to Intel CPU, but the hardware will still be proprietary Apple design -- not a generic PC.

Sorry about the PT problems...

prophet11

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machinapathy.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (09-Sep-05  11:51AM )

- I looked at the compatability list, and is MPowered Protools even technically compatible with the Firewiere Solo?

machinapathy

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SekondThought.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (09-Sep-05  02:38PM )

- Yes, it is. All M-Audio FireWire interfaces are now compatible with M-Powered Pro Tools. It's strange, because in the list of compatible products, it only lists the Audiophile 2496 & 192, the Ozonic and the FireWire 410 & 1814. However, if you scroll down the page, there is a "Related products for Pro Tools M-Powered" section, which lists the FireWire Solo.

I only found out that it worked with M-Powered Pro Tools through my local dealer, who called M-Audio while I was in the store to check that it would work before I bought it.

As for Logic running on a PC again, I very much doubt that would be part of Apple's plan for Logic, as nice as that would be.

I contacted M-Audio about the Pro Tools problem and they said it really had nothing to do with them, as it was a fault on the software side and not a problem with the audio interface. I have contacted Digidesign, but with no reply as yet. I noticed that a review in Sound-On-Sound magazine showed up the same problem as I am having (not being able to assign MIDI channels to plugins), but with the Arturia CS-80V.

If only Digi had made Mbox 2 firewire (something like the Focusrite Sapphire for example), instead of USB, I may have had a choice in switching to Pro Tools LE (rather than M-Powered LE), but the only option for me would be the Digi002 Rack, as I'd like to keep with a firewire interface.

Link: http://www.maudio.co.uk/products/en_gb/FireWireSol ...

SekondThought

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machinapathy.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (09-Sep-05  06:48PM )

- Well, at the very least, its a very new product and one can I think justifiably hope all that bullshit will be sorted out.

Anyway, best of luck.

machinapathy

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Dr. Whammo.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (09-Sep-05  06:52PM )

- haha - good luck getting any kind of support from Digidesign

when we needed help with our PT HD system at the studio, we had to go through Sweetwater (the place we bought it from).. it took alot of cajoling on their end to get Digi involved at all

Dr. Whammo


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victor_bln.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (10-Sep-05  07:34AM )

- "Er, I don't thinks so. Apple will move to Intel CPU, but the hardware will still be proprietary Apple design -- not a generic PC"

Well, if you look a bit more you'll allready find OS X running on AMD64 processors with SSE3, or even older with SSE2. I don't have it, but a friend of mine installed it on his PC. Surely will be a custom PC...but these facts made me think AMD is way too big now to be set aside...It's proved that the word Intel alone sales, so it can be only a marketing thing. I'm with the raw power of AMD... :)

victor_bln

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SekondThought.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (10-Sep-05  07:52AM )

- Lack of Digidesign back up for Pro Tools HD? I've heard stories about them not being very supportive but I didn't really believe it true of such a large company as Digidesign. I wish I hadn't let my manager talk me into going down this route (he has a large Pro Tools HD studio and wanted me to be able to take my files in, rather than my plan of going the Logic Pro route). Does anyone have any horror stories about tech support for Logic? I'm still thinking about maybe going back to "Plan-A", but wouldn't want to if I'm going to have a lack of support when it's needed.

Also, would it be worth getting a Mac now, before the switch over to Intel processors, or would it be wiser to wait until the New Year?

Many thanks to all who've replied.

SekondThought

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Dr. Whammo.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (10-Sep-05  06:05PM )

- I always try to warn people against using PT, especially home-studio people and basically anyone who isnt running a large studio business. Digi's support is horrendous at best, non-existant at worst. I find that very few people listen, as there is some kind of "hype" around PT that makes it seem so desirable. Really the most advantagous thing about it is being able to swap sessions from studio to studio - beyond that, there is absolutely no reason to use it over any other DAW platform. These days, other DAW platforms can export OMF files, which can then be imported into PT... so nowadays the compatibility argument becomes less of an issue.

Also, getting a Mac isnt going to solve all your problems. They are just as prone to complications as PCs are. In many cases, they are much more difficult to fix because you must go through Apple on every single thing, instead of having a giant market of 3rd party suppliers and parts manufacturers like the PC.

Logic is a very advanced sequencer platform - it could be overkill for what you want to do. It is very capable, and awesome at what it does (especially its plugins) - but it is much more geared towards MIDI than multitrack recording. It can do both though.

Could you explain what you plan to do with your setup?

Dr. Whammo


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Giant Robot.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (11-Sep-05  12:14AM )

- >>These days, other DAW platforms can export OMF files, which can then be imported into PT... so nowadays the compatibility argument becomes less of an issue.

More or less... I import a lot of sessions from Logic and Qbase into my HD setup, and it is NOT painless, lots of problems like timing problems, not finding tracks etc. A real headache.

I would try the the DUC forum (at digidesign.com), I bet you will find the answer to your problem.

Giant Robot


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SekondThought.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (11-Sep-05  08:36AM )

- What do I do with my setup? Well, it's a kind of multi-styled project studio producing Electronic/80's (Goldfrapp-ish/Madonna-ish/Bjork-ish) tracks along with Hip-Hop and R'n'B (Missy Elliott-ish, Neptunes-ish).

The equipment I have is as follows:

Hardware Equipment:

CME UF5 USB Controller Keyboard GNR TS700 17" TFT Display Korg MS20ic USB Controller Keyboard M-Audio FireWire Solo Interface M-Audio LX4 2.1 Reference Monitoring System Nemax AMD Athlon-64 3500+ PC Computer System (2.2GHz 64Bit Processor, 2Gb RAM, 160Gb Storage (2x 80Gb), CD-RW & DVD-RW)

Music Applications:

Ableton Live v5.0.1 M-Audio M-Powered Pro Tools v6.8 Propellerhead Reason v3.0.3 Sony ACID v5.0c Sony SoundForge v8.0b Steinberg Cubase SE v1.07

Software Plugins:

G-Media M-Tron v4.6 (+ Tape Banks 1 & 2) G-Media Oddity v1.0 IK Multimedia Amplitube LE v1.0 IK Multimedia SampleTank SE v2.0 IK Multimedia T-Racks EQ v1.0 Image LIne SimSynth VSTi v1.0.1.0 Korg Legacy Collection v1.1.3 Native Instruments Reaktor Session v1.1.3.005 Novation V-Station v1.40 & Bass-Station v1.40 PSoft Void Modular v1.52 PSP Audio Nitro v1.0 Spectrasonics Stylus RMX v1.2 Waldorf PPG Wave 2.v v1.2, Attack v1.2.1 & D-Pole v1.6.2 Zero-G/East West Nu Jointz Zero-G/East West The Operating Table Zero-G/East West Vapor

All the above software is legal (not warez hacked and cracked!), and are all the latest versions, so it's not as if the plugin issue I'm having with Pro Tools is because of using cracked software.

My main reason for liking Pro Tools is because of the layout - two main windows and everything is there to see - but I have owned Logic before (many years ago, Logic Gold 4.8, and liked it).

As you can see, I do not have any hardware synths, effects, samplers or drum machines (though I am planning to get an MPC2500, because I've used them for years and miss not having the 2000, 2000XL and 2000XL-SE2 that I once had).

Hope that helps!

SekondThought

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SekondThought.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (11-Sep-05  09:13AM )

- AT LAST! I seem to have sorted my own problem. When installing some of the plugins, they had automatically been set to another location and I didn't see they needed to be changed as I was unaware that there were two plugin folders for Pro Tools in two different locations...

C:Program FilesDigidesignDAEPlugins

When they should have gone to...

C:Program FilesCommon FilesDigidesignDAEPlugins

Now, when you sellect something like:

Reaktor Session 1 (No Channels Activated)

It will playback from my MIDI keyboard controller without having to load the VST-to-RTAS converted version.

SekondThought

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nick@sonic.... Re:Major M-Powered Pro Tools problem! (12-Sep-05  04:00AM )

- Glad to hear you found a solution to your problem. I've4 moved this topic to ProTools as it sort of is

nick@sonic


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