MESSE11: Roland Jupiter 80 Demo

SuperNatural Technology and more      06/04/11

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Hopefully, you've already seen the Jupiter-80 video we shot with Howard Jones, well this one come more from Roland's perspective, with the philosophy and background explained in a little more detail. We're also treated to some excellent playing from Scott.

 

 


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N. Modular    Said...

If only it was V-Synth... Then I would have digged 3000$ from some where, Now its Kronos for me.

06-Apr-11 04:19 PM


Fantom G man    Said...

THIS IS THE BOMB, forget Kronos! This is STAGE 2! Roland & Korg have nice sounds, but JP-80 makes these sounds @ performance SOUND REAL, enjoy & thanks Roland!!!!

06-Apr-11 04:57 PM


Synthman    Said...

He cant even call it a Jupiter.

I like what I hear, but to bear the Jupiter name this should have been everything here:

Super Natural Modeling (present) Analog VA* (present)

+

V-Synth

Jupiter 8 emulation* with the factory presets (and backward patch compatibility with hardware if possible).

06-Apr-11 05:14 PM


Synthman    Said...

Also, this look heavy and big. It quite deep front to back.

They should have never used the name or look of a Jupiter without at very least emulating one. Who are they fooling?

This is going to be a flop.

Bring on the V-Synth 3 which this aint!

Rest assured when Yamaha makes a DX7-III it with have FM -backward compatible with I & II .....

06-Apr-11 05:21 PM


Benedict Johnson    Said...

The trumpet sounds very good!!

06-Apr-11 06:07 PM


Dnarol    Said...

OMG; the funniest video of all time, from Roland, trying to justify why the "jupiter" 80 is the worthy successor of the Jupiter-8 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX0_R6XXldk

"The Jupiter-8 was made to emulate acoustic instruments, and its best feature is the multi-color coded buttons"

LMAO... ROTF ...

06-Apr-11 06:58 PM


Marshal    Said...

I'm pissed about this! Are they crazy? If they are going to use the name Jupiter it needs to be analog IMO. I already have a V-Synth GT so looks like this is not for me.

06-Apr-11 07:00 PM


   Said...

I prefer the Korg Monotribe... Roland have lost the plot, I thought we managed to get away from synthesisers that sound like 'real instruments' - I want a synthesiser to sound like a synthesiser - creating sounds never heard before and exploring new sonic territories. Roland have become the 'Sony' of musical instruments and rested on dusty old laurels with no imagination in their tired new products. Innovation was part of their previous century's products but now we get music centres and go faster d-beam stripes with the hallowed name of 'Jupiter' on them... Let trumpet players ,guitarists and violinists play 'their' instruments and we can play 'ours'...

06-Apr-11 07:07 PM


Brian from USA    Said...

You guys are too hung up on analog. This sounds pretty incredible to me, definitely focusing on control over articulation. That's something that's been lagging in synths for some time.

06-Apr-11 07:42 PM


Cerebral Infect    Said...

Okay, that thing can supposedly offer a better articulation matching the type of sound played.

But, this could be done on pretty much any of today workstation with an OS update or vst synth (kontakt offer script editing that can replicated such function mentionned).

What left me puzzled was why the demo-er didn't even talk about the synth engine itself. He went on rambling about Supernatural, Articulation, expression. Good, what under the hood ? Or what is new under the hood ? Why I would get this over a V-Synth GT ? The V-Synth GT has also this expressive Articulation features. What all buttons are used for ?

Roland might have released a good product. But they did clearly shot themselves in the forehead the way they presented the product to the consumer.

06-Apr-11 08:50 PM


Gustavo    Said...

I admit it sounds superb... but as some other mentioned Roland fails at delivering or even just explaining the true advantages of this. Super natural engine has been around in other roland boards.

Plus you can get even more realistic sounds from stuff like VSTs or the BIG sample libraries.

Also, I'd rather have a Nord Stage 2 when the prices go down a bit. IMO better piano, better organ (than rolands) and IMO better VA, may not have all the bells or whistles but that kind of product always felt more of a true instrument rather than a product.

06-Apr-11 10:57 PM


no thank you    Said...

Agreed. This might be a good instrument for certain purposes, but it is not a straight-up, pure synthesizer so it should not be called a Jupiter. Call it a Fantom V or something more appropriate. I don't think a new Jupiter necessarily needs to be analog, but it should be capable of exciting and innovative synthesis, not acoustic emulation. Tacky, cynical, insulting marketing on Roland's part. Bye bye.

07-Apr-11 01:02 AM


Synthguy    Said...

DEfinitely should be called a Juno-X or Juno-2000 or something. This has nothing to do with the Jupiters of the good old Roland. Still, I'd like to play around with it, though I have a feeling that the Motifs do a better job.

Meanwhile, I really want a KRONOS. ;D

07-Apr-11 04:04 AM


alpha    Said...

Who cares if the trumpet sounds good? The only people that would care are those doing film composition, and tend to use large sample libraries. Then in some case it's scored for real and recorded... with a real trumpet player. I don't see the market for this, especially since most already have the tools they like to use and aren't going to drop money on this thing. Any why why in the heck is it designed to look like a Jupiter 8? That is the stupidest part of the whole thing.

07-Apr-11 04:28 AM


alpha    Said...

Who cares if the trumpet sounds good? The only people that would care are those doing film composition, and tend to use large sample libraries. Then in some case it's scored for real and recorded... with a real trumpet player. I don't see much market for this, especially those who already have the tools they like to use aren't going to drop money on this thing. Any why why in the heck is it designed to look like a Jupiter 8? That is the stupidest part of the whole thing.

07-Apr-11 04:29 AM


alpha    Said...

Who cares if the trumpet sounds good? The only people that would care are those doing film composition, and tend to use large sample libraries. Then in some case it's scored for real and recorded... with a real trumpet player. I don't see much market for this, especially those who already have the tools they like to use aren't going to drop money on this thing. Any why why in the heck is it designed to look like a Jupiter 8? That is the stupidest part of the whole thing.

07-Apr-11 04:29 AM


Juicy Audio Productions    Said...

An interesting "catch all" instrument, rather than a full on analog emulator. I was expecting something else entirely when i saw the JUPITER name, but maybe the JP8000 is still TOO NEW for roland, as is the GAIA, which i dont believe is multitimbral.

I suppose with market forces being what they are, roland are loading up the gear with something for everyone. Not sure about the "push buttons" below the keybed, as the original function for those on the JP4, was assuming that the jp4 would sit on the flat top of an old C3 OR B3 hammond and be used for soloing.

At current uk rates, this works out at about £2500, which IS a fair bit for a non workstation synth these days. Maybe they'll tweak it a little more before it hits the retailers.

07-Apr-11 05:01 AM


Steve Crosswick    Said...

I don't see much justification for a product like this anymore, other than just having a huge SYNTHESIZER in your room to play around with. Which I guess is OK.

That violin is a joke IMHO. The timbre may be superultraOMGWTFBBQrealistic, but the articulation is totally pianistic. Same goes for the guitar.

BTW he looks like the love child of David Wilcock and Drunvalo Melchizedek.

07-Apr-11 09:57 AM


roland-isn't-what-it-used-to-be-man    Said...

what a joke... jupiter 80... come on! If you're heading for the future, give it a futuristic name.

jup's and juno's are hot vintage synths, and now they're trying to be all cool and re-use those name's. a pitty!

07-Apr-11 10:34 AM


Mike    Said...

I'm amazed at how unimpressed I am with this! I agree that Roland have lost the plot. Pity.

07-Apr-11 10:58 AM


Electro66    Said...

I can't believe I just watched a guy play acoustic guitar sounds, on a $3K+, made-in-2011 Roland Jupiter keyboard...what a total letdown. (Yeah, didn't he look embarrassed? What was with that comment in the beginning, about 'moving into the future' or whatever? Did the director of marketing, tell him to say that? :) And violin, and f**king trumpet?! And minimal knobs or sliders to speak of. I half expected it to say 'groove approved.' This is a joke, and the inclusion of these acoustic tones has made this instrument far more authentically out-of-touch and 'retro' in the worst sense than a real Jupiter-8. These guys are done with analog, nothing to see here...

07-Apr-11 12:33 PM


Synthman    Said...

Its clear roland tried to head off the Kronos bandwagon. However, there is no comparison as the Kronos blows this out of the water:

Sampling (Triton legacy) Physical Modeling including VA(Z1 legacy) Instrument Plug Ins (VSTI line Legacy)

Oh and a FM synth to boot.

Dont get me wrong I love Roland synths and have a few myself. But this is too controversial.

07-Apr-11 01:12 PM


dragoonstar    Said...

"yeah yeah the Jupiter-60 should be seen then,during the summer NAMM" I can't wait-

08-Apr-11 01:08 PM


Kevin Nolan, Dublin.    Said...

I have to say, I think the Jupiter 80 is absolutely magnificent. This is a clear evolutionary step forward for performance synthesizers. I own and use the VL1 and the V-SynthGT (with articulative phrase synthesis quite similar to Supernarutal); and the Jupiter 80 is clearly aligned with the ethos of those instruments, and the CS80 dare I say it.

This a performance monster and a magnificent leap forward by Roland - they are trail blazing the way forward with performance instruments. I've read the discussions here and largely they miss the point of the Jupiter 80. It's a performance instrument - a modern incarnation of the great days of the polyphonic synthesizer. It has awesome depth as a performance instrument - in this regard it is currently unique.

It's a very bright day for the future of hardware synthesizers; and I tip my hat to Roland - they know _exactly_ what they are about and exactly what they are doing - and it's exactly the ethos that lead to the Jupiter 8, the VP330 the JD800 and a plethora of other serious synthesizers. With the likes of Vienna Symphonic Instrument and now the Jupiter 80, finally the sample world is connecting with musical players.

08-Apr-11 07:21 PM


hui    Said...

I'm sure it's a nice workhorse synth, but it shouldn't be called a Jupiter.

What's next from Roland – an updated TB303 that does 'real' acoustic bass? A TR808 that sounds like a 'real' drum kit?

09-Apr-11 01:29 AM


Kevin Nolan, Dublin.    Said...

I have to say, I think the Jupiter 80 is absolutely magnificent. This is a clear evolutionary step forward for performance synthesizers. I own and use the VL1 and the V-SynthGT (with articulative phrase synthesis quite similar to Supernarutal); and the Jupiter 80 is clearly aligned with the ethos of those instruments, and the CS80 dare I say it.

This a performance monster and a magnificent leap forward by Roland - they are trail blazing the way forward with performance instruments. I've read the discussions here and largely they miss the point of the Jupiter 80. It's a performance instrument - a modern incarnation of the great days of the polyphonic synthesizer. It has awesome depth as a performance instrument - in this regard it is currently unique.

It's a very bright day for the future of hardware synthesizers; and I tip my hat to Roland - they know _exactly_ what they are about and exactly what they are doing - and it's exactly the ethos that lead to the Jupiter 8, the VP330 the JD800 and a plethora of other serious synthesizers. With the likes of Vienna Symphonic Instrument and now the Jupiter 80, finally the sample world is connecting with musical players.

09-Apr-11 04:32 AM


   Said...

What's in a name? I aggree that Roland may have made a balls up calling it a Jupiter and the demo wasn't the best and left everyone scratching their heads! Hopefully Roland will get there acts together before release and play with the os. I would be interested to see what the guys from V-Topia do with it!

09-Apr-11 06:03 AM


Crunty    Said...

You really need a ponytail and a light touch to play this instrument.

09-Apr-11 11:53 AM


Bruno Fame    Said...

Yes,another flop from Roland.But some people out there will buy it however because of the promotion.That's why Roland still exists !

09-Apr-11 05:24 PM


Colonel Vader    Said...

This Toy is awfull, horrible and ugly.Welcome to the World of Roland.I hope jupiter 80 has got some church-organ and banjo preset-Programs too.Those sounds belong to a "real Jupiter".

10-Apr-11 06:07 AM


Marniks    Said...

Great product, shot in the foot by a very bad demo. A VA-monster but the demoing guy is talking about violins and guitar strums.

PLEASE, give one to Rick Wakeman! Let him play with one for a month. Then go there with a videocam and show us the result.

10-Apr-11 07:09 AM


selercs    Said...

Is this 4 part multi-timbral? DAW integration? If not, bye bye Roland :)

Performance is good but what good is it if you can't record or use it as a serious tool in the studio?

12-Apr-11 05:52 PM


synthartist69    Said...

If Roland would re-issue the Jupiter 8 and put the Aturia software inside it then I think it would sell. You would think that this would be a piece of cake, but for some unknown reason, Roland is hell bent on forward thinking, while the rest of us want to relive the past.

14-Apr-11 01:45 AM


Silly    Said...

For those of you looking for a real analog synth... you got about 40 years of back product to choose from. MMost likely you already own one... so shut up and use them and let Roland design to the future.

14-Apr-11 04:19 PM


Eurotrash    Said...

To Marniks: "Great product, shot in the foot by a very bad demo" realy ??? I would say a bad demo shoot in the ffot by a very very bad product! and Rick Wakeman is playing a Minimoog again !

23-Apr-11 04:58 PM


Keith    Said...

Lots of negative comments made from people who have never played an original Jupiter. I own a Jupiter 8 and its been put on a pedestal because it was the synth of choice many years ago.The new Jupiter blows the old Jupiter out of the water in terms of sonic ability's. This new synth meets the demands of modern musicians like the original did back in the 80's. Jupitor was never about analog but offering musicians the best technology at the time. I will be getting one to add to my collection and compliment the original.

23-May-11 03:51 AM


Solomon    Said...

I'v pre ordered a Jupiter 80 from absolute music I think it does look the part but Roland does mass produce too many hit&misses in the Market and this looks like a complimation of rk 300 vima and v piano and v synth but the technology does look superior with the parameters and in depth editing on the touch screen fingers crossed it a good instrument to use! I just hope it's not an indulgence too far and I am trying to build my studio I have moog voyager xl and prophet 08 and virus and I want a some fresh Sounds also, also I'm a sucker for new stuff but time will tell

18-Jun-11 03:52 PM


My2Cents    Said...

Actually Roland has always paved the ways for other synths in case no one has noticed... 1. Roland's "Patch Remain" from Fantom G Korg's Kronos "SST - Smooth Sound Transition"

2. Roland's "D-Beam" Korg's Kronos "Vector Joystick"

3. Roland's "Favorite List" from Fantom G Korg's Kronos "Set List"

4. Roland's (Fantom G/JP80) ability to layer/split 8 to 16 sounds on the fly. Korg need's it to be programmed. Yamaha (motif) only capable of layer/split 4 sounds

So as you can see Roland is seeing the Future.....

26-Jun-11 10:16 AM


Dave    Said...

I'll be honest, the name is awsome, the look is awsome, and the sound is awsome. Thankfully, it leaves out recording, which is what your DAW is for. I honestly think all of you are crying because you know your Fantoms and your GTs and your V-synths and your Arturia titles are now ObSoLeTe....and you don't have the money to buy a JUPITER!!!Call it names all you want...in 20 years you're gonna wish you owned one. I got mine pre-ordered at Sweetwater... Yeah, baby!!!

04-Jul-11 11:26 PM


Jp80    Said...

A monster synth,incredible sounds,awesome synthesizers,i own it now 3 months,is is a killer synth!the best of the best!

08-Nov-11 12:42 PM


Jp80    Said...

A monster synth,incredible sounds,awesome synthesizers,i own it now 3 months,is is a killer synth!the best of the best!

08-Nov-11 12:43 PM


John Hendry^^    Said...

The only mistake Roland may have made is calling it a Jupiter. From what I am hearing it has exceptional DACs and other improvements in sound quality bringing it up to the Korg OASYS and Kronos level in sound quality. If this is true then Roland has in fact come up with a challenge to the Kronos, although I'd still go with a Kronos if I didn't already have an M50, WS-AD, O1w rack, M1, etc that are all lower in sound quality (WS-AD is VERY good however) but give me the "Korg sound" making passing the Jupiter80 by for a Kronos a more difficult choice...probably what I'll do....but if the build quality is better as Roland is known for all I can say is the few issues with the Kronos key-beds and other minor bugs (I'm sure the J80 has some too) don't help Korg out at all. This thing is a monster and if the sound quality is on par with the OASYS and Kronos...only if on par...then it makes getting the Kronos a harder choice. Only way to tell is to hear one with a Kronos present to compare, but from what I am hearing Roland used top quality parts building this and I want one till I hear otherwise. Awesome keyboard! This complements the Kronos rather well and having both with a VAX77 to trigger them for release velocity and poly AT is as good as it gets for right now in 2011.

John^^

08-Nov-11 03:41 PM


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